What the bigs are doing is focus on blocked out and let the small guys get in and grab the rebound. Since they don't do much of fastbreaks, the strategy works better. On the offensive end it'll be different, bigs need to grab rebounds for second chance points.
Tim is a 7 footer with extremely long arms and some of the best hands on a big man the basketball world has ever seen.
KT and Oberto.... Simply aren't. They do need to step up their rebounding because this has been a pattern, not one isolated games. They both can and have done better and they need to pick it up.
What were the team rebounding #s last night? How many offensive boards allowed?
So far in 10 games Thomas avgs about 15 minutes a game and avgs 3.4 rebounds per game. Fab avgs around 20 minutes a game and avgs about 3.3 rebounds per game. That is not gonna cut. That is why the Spurs opponents are grabbing a lot of offensive rebounds, which creates second chance points.
The Spurs had five offensive and the Clippers had 14 offensive rebounds.
It was sickening watching all the second chances the Clippers got. If they had actually managed to convert them they would have blown out the Spurs last night.
At their positions, rebounding is a fundamental part of being a big man, at any level. Just because they're not athletic doesn't excuse them from the responsibility of rebounding. Rebounding has less to do with athleticism, and much more to do with heart, effort desire and mainly positioning. All a player has to do is seal off the opponent by putting his body in between that of the opponent and the basket. It's that simple. Furthermmore, a smart, seasoned NBA veteran would be somewhat familiar with how and where certain shots will carom off the rim, based on the type of shot taken.
Dennis Rodman was a tremendous athlete, with good jumping ability. However, he didn't rely on that jumping ability to become a rebounding phenom. Instead he did so by using these very, same techniques. KT was once a fine rebounder. He came into the NBA as one of only 3 men to ever lead the NCAA in both scoring and rebounding. He may be older, but the guy does know how to board.
There should never be a scenario where any of the bigs, on this roster, end the game with "0" rebounds, when involved in at least 10-20 minutes of action. That is absolutely inexcusable.
Those numbers should be insulting to each of them as professional players. Each of these guys should be up around 5 rebounds per game. They simply have to give better, more consistent effort. , Stephen Jackson is averaging 5 rebs per game.
Oberto always seems to play better when he's on the floor with Manu, so I'm hoping that's part of it. But I have to say, he does look especially sluggish in the early going here.
None of the Spur bigs outside of Duncan are getting consistent minutes, so it's natural that their overall numbers aren't too impressive, but Thomas's rebound per 48 min of 10.8 is still somewhat respectable, putting him currently just behind Nick Collison and David Lee, and just ahead of Rasho, Amare, and Bonner. Oberto is way down compared to last year. The good news is that Hill and Mason are both rebounding very well, which could possibly explain at least a little bit of the change, and Pop is going with more smaller line ups, resulting in better rebounding numbers for guards. I sure do hope Mahinmi is here by december.
i'm hoping that Ian will help us out in this regard as long as he plays well enough in other areas to warrant time on the floor.
I get what you are saying, but I'm with SFIE. So long as the Spurs player is grabbing them, I don't care who it is.
I care when the effort isn't there and the other teams are really getting them. I think Ian will help in that regard. But again, whomever can have them - just get them.
We are talking as to why Hill got more rebounds and I agree they do need to work harder on the glass. Going up against Kaman and Camby is difficult for anyone especially is your are not athletic. I wouldn't say Thomas was ever a fine rebounder and Rodman did use his jumping ability to pull rebounds. He would try and tip the ball to himself which would require multiple jumps. You don't see anyone in the league do that because no one wants to give the effort.
I totally agree that there is not reason they shouldn't try harder to get more boards but sometimes you have to use your head. Ability will only get you so far
He's averaged 7.4 per contest his career. Rebounding has never been a problem for him when motivated.
I agree with you Orion, but the thread was mainly a shot at our Centers. I love that George Hill is grabbing that many boards. I'm disappointed our bigs aren't.
do you consider 7.4 fine ? I'd say he is average. I consider Duncan a fine rebounder.
He's averaged 7.4 per contest his career. Rebounding has never been a problem for him when motivated.
Its like Mark trying to out rebound me ......that should sum it up right there
Duncan is a GREAT rebounder, among the best ever.
Seven and a half boards per game isn't stellar, but it is definitely "fine."
Hey, Mark has two bad knees. Remember?
No Dwight Howard is a GREAT rebounder
You mean 2 bad ovaries
Hey, Mark has two bad knees. Remember?
What are you saying 'no' to? Tim not being a great rebounder?
BTW, Kurt Thomas just last season averaged 8.8 in only 25.3mins with Seattle. His numbers went down to 5 a contest here, but he also averaged 8 less minutes.
Well Tim can be great but is there anything greater than great because that's what Howard would be. I like Thomas but he is an average rebounder.What are you saying 'no' to? Tim not being a great rebounder?
BTW, Kurt Thomas just last season averaged 8.8 in only 25.3mins with Seattle. His numbers went down to 5 a contest here, but he also averaged 8 less minutes.
oh and who else did he have to compete with for rebounds Nick Collison ?
Nick Collison averages 7 a contest for his career.
Ok Thomas is a good rebounder
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