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No, you are wrong. So Greg Oden had no trade value last year?
He also was one of the stars of the d-league. The Spurs may have had an aging roster, but they had bigs and they made it to the WCF, so it is hard for any youngster to get time.
So that is what all GM's look at. You cannot say that bc Bass has played that he has more value. Upside has a lot of value and so does size and skill. If GM's think that Ian will be better than Ian is more appealing than Bass in the long term.
No, you are wrong. So Greg Oden had no trade value last year?
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Bass would tear up the D-League too after playing 95 games against NBA compe ion. Who cares?
Of course I can say that, because it's the truth.So that is what all GM's look at. You cannot say that bc Bass has played that he has more value.
It's far from consensus that he will have a better career than Bass. At this point, the only thing that can safely be said is that Bass is much more polished than Mahinmi, and thus is more attractive to other teams.If GM's think that Ian will be better than Ian is more appealing than Bass in the long term
Greg Oden>>>>>>Ian Mahinmi. Portland didn't have any plans to stash him in the D-League for a whole season. You're losing the argument by resorting to disengenousness.
You still did not comment on what the coach of the Clippers said and what that means for your scenario.
I don't expect coaches and executives to speak frankly about what may or may not be discussed behind closed doors, or to spell out their strategies for managing and adjusting their rosters to the media.
Last year at this time, Mark Cuban: "We love our team! Devin is the man! We wouldn't trade for Kidd in a million years!"
You are trying to state opinion as fact, which is disingenuous. What I said just applied your terrible logic that you state as fact to a player that would disprove what you said.
It's not an opinion to state that Greg Oden is a much better player than Ian Mahinmi.
So you are saying that he made up that the Cats offered Wallace for Kaman?
It is opinion to say that a guy that has never played an nba minute is for certain less appealing than Bass. It could be the case, but you do not know that for sure, especially considering Ian's rare size and athletic ability.
I have no idea if the Cats and Clippers discussed that deal. Teams talk ALL THE TIME, and it goes nowhere, and sometimes they might be aiming their public comments at other teams in order to drive up the bidding or induce a desired reaction. Dunleavy could very well be telling the truth or it might be bluffing for a third party.
And you surely can't say for certain than Mahinmi will end up having a better career than Bass. Bass is certainly the better player right now, given that he's getting minutes on an mediocre NBA team, whereas Mahinmi has never played meaningful minutes in the NBA.
Well if all we have to go by is what you think, what I think and what the coach of the Clippers said happened guess which way people are going to lean?
It's all just talk until something happens. Nobody cares what you or I think.
I never said he is better than Bass right now. We are arguing upside. And since skilled, athletic and young bigs are usually gambled on, I would say that Ian having more trade value than Bass is just as likely as not.
Exactly, but you keep acting like what I said (that the Cats would not want bass/stack) is so stupid, when in fact the only shred of evidence we have to go by goes completely against your argument.
It's not really evidence at all. I just can't take this kind of talk from a coach or an executive at face value, one way or the other as evidence of anything.
So you are saying that the article I posted has just as much credibility as your opinion?
Well nothing personal Findog, I just did not agree with your take, has nothing to do with you being a Mav fan!
I would say that the credibility is equal. I don't claim to 100% be right, I'm just stating my opinions. I think they tend to be logical opinions, but others might disagree.
Nothing personal, either.
Unless I completely missed the definition of "expiring contract", no he doesn't.
Everyone is looking for expiring contracts in 2010, no?
I guess. I just looked and Stack's contract expires in 2010 as well, so I guess I misunderstood what the term meant. I thought you traded for one because you'd get the guy off your payroll at the end of the season.
Stack's compensation works out to $7 million this year and $2 million next year. So, for all intents and purposes, any team looking to dump salary woiuld probably take Stack's contract.
Stackhouse might be stuck with Mavs
By JEFF CAPLAN
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CHARLOTTE, N.C. — Jerry Stackhouse said he gets the cycle: The old guy sacrifices minutes to aid the development of younger players for the long-term benefit of the franchise.
"When I came to Philadelphia, Jeff Malone was still a very capable player, but they basically said, 'Jeff, Jerry Stackhouse is the starting shooting guard here,’ " Stackhouse said Monday. "And he still went and played somewhere for a couple more seasons or whatnot."
Malone, an excellent scoring shooting guard, was 34 in Stackhouse’s rookie season, the same age Stackhouse is now. In fact, that 1995-96 season turned out to be Malone’s last.
Stung by injuries late in his 13-year career and traded from Philadelphia to Miami, Malone, after averaging 19 points in his career, played just 32 games that year and averaged 5.8 points.
Perhaps that finality is the greatest fear for the headstrong and prideful Stackhouse, who, virtually in the last year of his contract (the team holds an option for next season), is unwilling to accept a reduced role and Monday publicly requested to be traded or released.
He wants to resume a larger role elsewhere and pave the way for another contract. On Tuesday, Mavs owner Mark Cuban, although sympathetic to Stackhouse’s plight, said he won’t buy out the remainder of this season’s $7 million contract. He will entertain trade offers.
"Every guy wants to play," Cuban said. "And for a guy to be able to say, 'You know what, I’ll take one for the team,’ you know how hard that is for a guy?"
Going public, however, likely didn’t help agent Jeff Schwartz and Mavs president Donnie Nelson’s bargaining power. The greater issue, though, is if a larger role exists for Stackhouse with another team.
Some NBA insiders don’t believe one does.
"I’m a little surprised he thinks there’s a better situation out there," said an NBA front-office source. "I think he’s about to get a rude awakening."
Once a potent scorer, Stackhouse is struggling to put the ball in the basket, and, like Malone late in his career, injuries have taken a toll. Stackhouse played in 58 games last season and he’s out indefinitely now, he said, to rest his ailing right heel.
In eight games this season — Stackhouse has one DNP and was inactive Sunday — the career 18.5-point scorer is averaging 5.3 points and is shooting 29.1 percent.
As Stackhouse’s agent explores trade scenarios, he might find that Stackhouse’s greatest value to another team might not be his scoring potential, but rather his expiring contract.
If so, Stackhouse might find his current situation is also his best.
http://www.star-telegram.com/287/story/1046814.html
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