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  1. #51
    Come on now, think logically.
    considering the source, this is the most ridiculous statement ever made.

  2. #52
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    1) its losing not 'loosing'
    2) coaching is a factor
    3) the quality of the big 12 is also a factor
    4) most importantly, A&M has changed their offense and defense

    ...if Sherman does not have a winning season next year, then he is inadequate. we'll see.
    A&M is too talented to drop some of the games that they have been "loosing" New offense and defense or not, the losses to Ark. State and Baylor should not have happened. A&M is too good.

    I think its more Sherman than anything. I think he was a horribly choice and is proving that.

  3. #53
    Give some better reasons. Tech changed their offense in 2000 and had a sensational season with Kliff Kingsbury.
    tech wasn't good in 1999 or 2000...so i don't know what you are referring to. they lost to east carolina in the 2000 bowl game and iowa in 2001 bowl game. of course from 1991-1996 tekk had to forfeit all wins b/c of using ineligible players. that was cool. not to mention, the big 12 is a lot tougher now than it was in 1999 and 2000.

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    A&M is too talented to drop some of the games that they have been "loosing" New offense and defense or not, the losses to Ark. State and Baylor should not have happened. A&M is too good.

    I think its more Sherman than anything. I think he was a horribly choice and is proving that.
    i don't necessarily disagree with anything you wrote, but the state of the big 12 isn't helpful. like i said, if Sherman doesn't have a winning season next year i think he should go. A&M's facilities, support, and talent level are much better than 4 to 6 win seasons.

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    i don't necessarily disagree with anything you wrote, but the state of the big 12 isn't helpful. like i said, if Sherman doesn't have a winning season next year i think he should go. A&M's facilities, support, and talent level are much better than 4 to 6 win seasons.
    Yeah he has one more chance.

    Although I think if Texas stomps them, it could end earlier.

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    tech wasn't good in 1999 or 2000...so i don't know what you are referring to. they lost to east carolina in the 2000 bowl game and iowa in 2001 bowl game. of course from 1991-1996 tekk had to forfeit all wins b/c of using ineligible players. that was cool. not to mention, the big 12 is a lot tougher now than it was in 1999 and 2000.
    yeah, b/c making it to a bowl game 2 years in a row is "not good"; compared to finishing under .500

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    yeah, b/c making it to a bowl game 2 years in a row is "not good"; compared to finishing under .500
    Depends on the bowl game.

    If a team squeaks in to two bowls in a row at 6-6 each year, I wouldn't necessarily call that good.

  8. #58
    Depends on the bowl game.

    If a team squeaks in to two bowls in a row at 6-6 each year, I wouldn't necessarily call that good.
    b/c they weren't good and lost to below average bowl teams. one was the galleryfurniture.com bowl. A&M has been to that ty bowl once before, but at least they pounded tcu.

    i wonder if cash459 is saying A&M finished under .500 in 1999 and 2000? he should check his history and don't forget A&M won the big 12 in 1998.

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    b/c they weren't good and lost to below average bowl teams. one was the galleryfurniture.com bowl. A&M has been to that ty bowl once before, but at least they pounded tcu.

    i wonder if cash459 is saying A&M finished under .500 in 1999 and 2000? he should check his history and don't forget A&M won the big 12 in 1998.
    no, im saying this year, b/c you were comparing tech from 1999 & 2000 to A&M....

    and if not, then i misunderstood you

    no doubt, A&M used to be a good football team, but times are changing, just like they have been in Lubbock.

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    considering the source, this is the most ridiculous statement ever made.
    99.9 percent of the people on this site would agree that "thinking logically" would be a great attribute to your personality.

    Can you guess who the .1 percent is?

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    tech was not any good during 2000?

    So I guess a "not any good" tech team beat the aggies. So does that mean that the aggies were "really not very good"?

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    cheers to arky state and baylor!

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    Either offer up an argument or just shut up and let me enjoy Baylor not being the worst team in the big 12 since the conference has been in existence.

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    Either offer up an argument or just shut up and let me enjoy Baylor not being the worst team in the big 12 since the conference has been in existence.
    my argument, is that youre crazy if you think that Baylor can beat Tech. Did you think they had a chance last week too?

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    LINK


    I wanted to share some thoughts from the hit book "How to Handle Being The Worst Team in the Big XII South". This book, originally authored by fans of Baylor University, with foreword by Oklahoma State, has been a work in progress for 25 something years now.

    Now that we have handed that prestigious torch off to your school, and it looks like it will stay that way for quite some time, you and your Aggie friends may want to really get into this material. Here are some highlights:

    Chapter 1 - Bring up past records when discussing your program with friends. The best way to do this is to start from the present and go back through the past until you can find where you have more wins than "x" team. Inconsistencies in time frame does not matter - it can be 5 years for one team and 45 for another.

    Chapter 3 - Find other parts of your athletic program that you can be proud of and meticulously learn and promote their accomplishments, no matter how embarrassing the sport. Baylor has done this recently with women's basketball, tennis, and most notably, track and field (Olympic gold medalist anyone?). Rumor has it that your men's club lacrosse team is pretty awesome. Just throwing that out there.

    Chapter 5 - Find a couple of solid scapegoats and complain tirelessly about them. Your fan base has already advanced far in this area, with "Shermione" and "$Bill" taking the brunt of this effective relaxation technique.

    Chapter 10 - Pick a team to hate and root for their failure. For Baylor fans, this has been you, and look how well it's worked! It's like The Secret - the power of positive thinking. It's very refreshing to change the channel from a frustrating loss and watch your sworn enemy fail. You may have to really dig deep here - you want a team that is average to pretty bad. You losing and them winning is a double whammy, so don't set your sites too high (UT/Tech). Arkansas is a good start, they're down this year.

    Chapter 11 (THIS IS A BIG ONE) - Focus on moral victories. This chapter has a lot of content, so really pay attention to it. Within the umbrella of the moral victories chapter you'll find subsections such as: a) Don't pin your hopes on winning the game, pin your hopes on covering the spread. The spread is key, and beating the spread will bring you years and years of joy. b) Get excited about first downs. These may be harder to come by than you think, so really cherish them. c) Find remote stats that can highlight your improvement. Really dig into improvement. This should be a buzzword to use in the coming years.

    Chapter 12 - Talk about the other redeeming qualities of your school. This is tricky, because it's actually really dorky to engage in academic smack talk, but, if done correctly, can deflect the focus of a conversation away from your school's crappy football program and onto other areas where the playing field is more level. Now, I'm tailor making this to A&M a little here, but I would recommend you focus on your strong engineering and business school reputation, and don't forget to bring up your various traditions! People never get tired of hearing about this.

    Chapter 14** - Find another school to support on the side. This chapter is very controversial and was only added in later editions. I myself never went down this road, but several of my friends found a great deal of relaxation and comfort in finding a side school. While immediate family connections are the best (father graduated from Penn State or mom and dad met at Florida), it is also valid to dig deep into your family's history to find that great aunt that went to Alabama or that second cousin who got a masters at USC. The further away the school, the better. Claim that you have been watching them for years - especially as a little kid growing up. This helps ward off eye rolls and front-runner accusations from your friends. **Note: though highly successful, this chapter can be very dangerous, and is probably the only method that will incur hatred from fellow alumni and students. Use Chapter 14 at your own risk. Advanced students only. I'd say you'll be there en mass around 2013 - although seeing how your fan-base is bailing after 3 losing seasons out of the past 24, you may be there as early as 2010. Talk about advanced students!

    That's it folks. I'll send you a copy for free - we're so excited to share this with a team not named Baylor. And you may read this and think: wow, Baylor is pathetic. This is really sad stuff. No, no! This is you! This WAS Baylor and now IS your school! I'm talking about what you and your fan base will be and have already started saying and doing.

    I want to leave you with this. This can be your chance to practice, right now. Skim some of the material above, and go ahead and start using it on me. I would say the record route is the obvious way to go, but don't be afraid to be creative. Angry phrases like "F off" and total dismissal of my thread also work. Have fun, and I'll critique some of your responses as we go...

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    I wanted to share some thoughts from the hit book "How to Handle Being The Worst Team in the Big XII South". This book, originally authored by fans of Baylor University, with foreword by Oklahoma State, has been a work in progress for 25 something years now.

    Now that we have handed that prestigious torch off to your school, and it looks like it will stay that way for quite some time, you and your Aggie friends may want to really get into this material. Here are some highlights:

    Chapter 1 - Bring up past records when discussing your program with friends. The best way to do this is to start from the present and go back through the past until you can find where you have more wins than "x" team. Inconsistencies in time frame does not matter - it can be 5 years for one team and 45 for another.

    Chapter 3 - Find other parts of your athletic program that you can be proud of and meticulously learn and promote their accomplishments, no matter how embarrassing the sport. Baylor has done this recently with women's basketball, tennis, and most notably, track and field (Olympic gold medalist anyone?). Rumor has it that your men's club lacrosse team is pretty awesome. Just throwing that out there.

    Chapter 5 - Find a couple of solid scapegoats and complain tirelessly about them. Your fan base has already advanced far in this area, with "Shermione" and "$Bill" taking the brunt of this effective relaxation technique.

    Chapter 10 - Pick a team to hate and root for their failure. For Baylor fans, this has been you, and look how well it's worked! It's like The Secret - the power of positive thinking. It's very refreshing to change the channel from a frustrating loss and watch your sworn enemy fail. You may have to really dig deep here - you want a team that is average to pretty bad. You losing and them winning is a double whammy, so don't set your sites too high (UT/Tech). Arkansas is a good start, they're down this year.

    Chapter 11 (THIS IS A BIG ONE) - Focus on moral victories. This chapter has a lot of content, so really pay attention to it. Within the umbrella of the moral victories chapter you'll find subsections such as: a) Don't pin your hopes on winning the game, pin your hopes on covering the spread. The spread is key, and beating the spread will bring you years and years of joy. b) Get excited about first downs. These may be harder to come by than you think, so really cherish them. c) Find remote stats that can highlight your improvement. Really dig into improvement. This should be a buzzword to use in the coming years.

    Chapter 12 - Talk about the other redeeming qualities of your school. This is tricky, because it's actually really dorky to engage in academic smack talk, but, if done correctly, can deflect the focus of a conversation away from your school's crappy football program and onto other areas where the playing field is more level. Now, I'm tailor making this to A&M a little here, but I would recommend you focus on your strong engineering and business school reputation, and don't forget to bring up your various traditions! People never get tired of hearing about this.

    Chapter 14** - Find another school to support on the side. This chapter is very controversial and was only added in later editions. I myself never went down this road, but several of my friends found a great deal of relaxation and comfort in finding a side school. While immediate family connections are the best (father graduated from Penn State or mom and dad met at Florida), it is also valid to dig deep into your family's history to find that great aunt that went to Alabama or that second cousin who got a masters at USC. The further away the school, the better. Claim that you have been watching them for years - especially as a little kid growing up. This helps ward off eye rolls and front-runner accusations from your friends. **Note: though highly successful, this chapter can be very dangerous, and is probably the only method that will incur hatred from fellow alumni and students. Use Chapter 14 at your own risk. Advanced students only. I'd say you'll be there en mass around 2013 - although seeing how your fan-base is bailing after 3 losing seasons out of the past 24, you may be there as early as 2010. Talk about advanced students!

    That's it folks. I'll send you a copy for free - we're so excited to share this with a team not named Baylor. And you may read this and think: wow, Baylor is pathetic. This is really sad stuff. No, no! This is you! This WAS Baylor and now IS your school! I'm talking about what you and your fan base will be and have already started saying and doing.

    I want to leave you with this. This can be your chance to practice, right now. Skim some of the material above, and go ahead and start using it on me. I would say the record route is the obvious way to go, but don't be afraid to be creative. Angry phrases like "F off" and total dismissal of my thread also work. Have fun, and I'll critique some of your responses as we go...

    classic jgw is in bold!

  17. #67
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    tech wasn't good in 1999 or 2000...so i don't know what you are referring to. they lost to east carolina in the 2000 bowl game and iowa in 2001 bowl game. of course from 1991-1996 tekk had to forfeit all wins b/c of using ineligible players. that was cool. not to mention, the big 12 is a lot tougher now than it was in 1999 and 2000.
    what the....?

    so many things wrong with this, I aint even gonna bother
    Last edited by Blake; 11-19-2008 at 05:07 PM.

  18. #68
    what the....?

    so many things wrong with this, I aint even gonna bother
    other than my opinion tekk wasn't good in 1999 & 2000, everything else is fact. there's nothing to fix, lol.

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    my argument, is that youre crazy if you think that Baylor can beat Tech. Did you think they had a chance last week too?
    , I'm happy they managed not to lose to freaking A&M. Baylor winning a couple of games makes the fans crazy, or hadn't you heard?

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    yeah, i know. they havent had much to cheer for lately, but they can hold their head up knowing that at least thyre not in the cellar of the big 12.

    that program has some potential, and Griffin definitely has the potential to take that team places. Now its just a matter of getting players around him that lighten the load at least some what

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    yeah, i know. they havent had much to cheer for lately, but they can hold their head up knowing that at least thyre not in the cellar of the big 12.

    that program has some potential, and Griffin definitely has the potential to take that team places. Now its just a matter of getting players around him that lighten the load at least some what
    It should help to walk in to a guy's living room and show him video of Griffin and say "He's going to be here three more years." The basketball team is showing some signs of turning the corner, which could actually help as well.

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    It should help to walk in to a guy's living room and show him video of Griffin and say "He's going to be here three more years." The basketball team is showing some signs of turning the corner, which could actually help as well.
    Yup, i totally agree with you. with Tech it has happened (minus the bball part) but Tech has started to pull recruits that otherwise wouldnt have given a second thought to moving to Lubbock, but now do b/c they see how much Crabtree has flourished. And if im not mistaken, I think they pulled a couple of recruits away from UT & A&M b/c of the success Tech is having this year.

    So it definitely is a possibility. Just think how much more competetive the Big 12 south will be, if Baylor is able to fill in those missing pieces on their football team. I think A&M is a few years out still, but , even then, its going to be crazy how much compe ion (could) be there.






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