BCS vs Playoff System

[cash459]

Hey, not sure how many of you guys heard, which im sure most of you have, but ESPN signed a deal to televise the BCS bowls until 2014.....which by the way means that there is NO chance of having a playoff system implemented before that contract expires (or so i heard).

that is all......discuss......

[kwhitegocubs]

So you just like destroying the hopes and dreams of well-meaning football fans? Hmm?

The BCS is the Anti-Christ of all sports. It's like Pandora's Box without the "hope" part.

How a system can exist that, for all intensive purposes, disqualifies 5 conferences from realistic consideration for a National Championship? One that allows a team to finish a season undefeated and still not have even a CHANCE for a championship (Auburn 2004, Utah 2004, Boise State 2006, likely Utah, Boise State, and Ball State this year). It is so flawed as to not even be comprehensible. All in the name of greed and power.

HATE!

[lebomb]

The BCS is a total piece of . There is NEVER, and I mean NEVER, EVER a true D1 college football national champ in my opinion.

[leemajors]

they don't start broadcasting them until 2011

[cash459]

they don't start broadcasting them until 2011

yeah, but that means until after that contract runs out, that there wont be any changes made to the "system"

& wasnt trying to rain on anyones parade, just trying to inform, b/c i know there are a lot of people that despise the BCS. Im on the fnece, but just wanted to share the knowledge

[tonylongoriafan]

The BCS is the Anti-Christ of all sports. It's like Pandora's Box without the "hope" part.

How a system can exist that, for all intensive purposes, disqualifies 5 conferences from realistic consideration for a National Championship? One that allows a team to finish a season undefeated and still not have even a CHANCE for a championship (Auburn 2004, Utah 2004, Boise State 2006, likely Utah, Boise State, and Ball State this year). It is so flawed as to not even be comprehensible.

i don't think it's really that bad...more times than not, the bcs has done a better job than the previous system in place. at the very least, you get a number 1 vs number 2 every year with a lot of money!

don't get me wrong, a +1 system would be definitely better. but the bcs isn't that bad...is it?

[IronMexican]

! I liked being able to watch games on my regular TV.

[leemajors]

! I liked being able to watch games on my regular TV.

well, ESPN "broadasts" all the games on ABC as well. It's likely some of them will remain on ABC.

[K-State Spur]

don't get me wrong, a +1 system would be definitely better. but the bcs isn't that bad...is it?

it's pretty f'ing terrible. there's not one argument for it that's not easily refutable.

the only people that it makes sense for are the bowl committees, bowl sponsors, big 10/pac 10 conference commissioners, and school presidents receiving kickbacks.

why the fans continue to tolerate it is thoroughly ridiculous.

[ClingingMars]

the only way to determine a true champion is through the FCS!

-Mars

[IronMexican]

well, ESPN "broadasts" all the games on ABC as well. It's likely some of them will remain on ABC.

So what the OP meant was that Disney bought it.

[lebomb]

it's pretty f'ing terrible. there's not one argument for it that's not easily refutable.

the only people that it makes sense for are the bowl committees, bowl sponsors, big 10/pac 10 conference commissioners, and school presidents receiving kickbacks.

why the fans continue to tolerate it is thoroughly ridiculous.

Beautiful choice of wording.

I agree 100% The BCS is a piece of rancid floating in an old nasty toilet bowl.

[samikeyp]

it's pretty f'ing terrible. there's not one argument for it that's not easily refutable.

the only people that it makes sense for are the bowl committees, bowl sponsors, big 10/pac 10 conference commissioners, and school presidents receiving kickbacks.

why the fans continue to tolerate it is thoroughly ridiculous.

+10

[Blake]

it's pretty f'ing terrible. there's not one argument for it that's not easily refutable.

the only people that it makes sense for are the bowl committees, bowl sponsors, big 10/pac 10 conference commissioners, and school presidents receiving kickbacks.

why the fans continue to tolerate it is thoroughly ridiculous.

There is not one argument, you're right.

But presidents of the mid level universities will keep on shooting it down because they are afraid of losing out money to the big schools that would be making the playoffs year after year.

Notre Dame also puts a big wrinkle in things. The most recognizable university in the country is an independent and has no plans of changing that.

When a team like OU goes to a BCS game, the millions in payout from the bowl are split up between all 12 teams.

When ND goes, they keep all the money for themselves.

A playoff system would practically force ND to join a conference which means they lose money. No way they ever vote for playoffs.

[lebomb]

No way they ever vote for playoffs.

Here you go with the definite's...............Oh, I think there is a way. When the fans get tired of all the BS and decides to stop supporting the BCS. I think its getting closer than ever to ending this. Also, coaches of these very same teams you are talking about are starting to complain. The BCS can hurt teams as well as help them. Just ask Pete Caroll at USC.

[doobs]

I say screw the BCS AND the playoff system. The problem with ins uting a playoff system: the regular season would lose some of its meaning. The problem with the BCS: d'uh.

We should revert to the old bowl games--e.g., PAC-10 champ and Big 10 champ in the Rose Bowl--but add a national championship game to take place afterwards. So the two best teams would have to play in two bowl games.

This would be good for those of us who like the history of the bowl games. This would also ensure, almost every time, that the #1 and #2 teams meet in the last game.

[tonylongoriafan]

I say screw the BCS AND the playoff system. The problem with ins uting a playoff system: the regular season would lose some of its meaning. The problem with the BCS: d'uh.

We should revert to the old bowl games--e.g., PAC-10 champ and Big 10 champ in the Rose Bowl--but add a national championship game to take place afterwards. So the two best teams would have to play in two bowl games.

This would be good for those of us who like the history of the bowl games. This would also ensure, almost every time, that the #1 and #2 teams meet in the last game.

didn't someone else mention a +1 system

[chrisattsu]

the only way to determine a true champion is through the FCS!

-Mars

I agree, but what's the point of winning a national championship if nobody recognizes it.

How much respect does Grand Valley State or Appy State carry to the average fan?

[doobs]

didn't someone else mention a +1 system

I like the +1 system. What I'm proposing is a little different, I think, from what the +1 system would entail. My understanding is that the +1 system would have the top 4 teams meet in two bowl games, with the winners going to a third bowl game, for thenational championship. This is a pretty good idea, but it still relies on the ty and convoluted BCS rankings nonsense to establish those 4 teams. I want to scrap the BCS altogether.

My idea is just to have the traditional bowl games. And then, after the bowl games, we would almost certainly have a consensus #1 and #2. Those two teams would play in the national championship. No computer rankings, just honest-to-God polls based on their performances in the bowl games.

[lebomb]

I say screw the BCS AND the playoff system. The problem with ins uting a playoff system: the regular season would lose some of its meaning.

Sooooooo, basically this holds true to all other sports as well?? College and Pro for baseball, basketball Pro football, hockey............... every team game in the world beside D-1A college football.

, you are a genius.

[lebomb]

I agree, but what's the point of winning a national championship if nobody recognizes it.

How much respect does Grand Valley State or Appy State carry to the average fan?

Lower division man.....lower division. He is saying have a FCS for D-1A like the current FCS.

[tonylongoriafan]

My idea is just to have the traditional bowl games. And then, after the bowl games, we would almost certainly have a consensus #1 and #2. Those two teams would play in the national championship. No computer rankings, just honest-to-God polls based on their performances in the bowl games.

thats not going to work either because you can just as easily NOT have a consensus #1/#2 after a round of bowl games staggered over 4 weeks where upsets between top teams are almost certain to occur.

not trying to come off as a bcs-appologist, but i think it does a good job of ranking the top teams, i don't think this is the real issue that bothers everyone. the ty part is that there will always be an argument for #1/2 no matter what's ranking (humans or computers) unless there's a playoff. and +1 with the top 4 teams is the way to go...they already added the national le game a few years ago...that's the answer

[doobs]

Sooooooo, basically this holds true to all other sports as well??

, you are a genius.

We're talking about college football, not other sports. Part of what I love about college football is the fact that a single loss can screw a team over for that year. You don't think the regular season becomes less meaningful when you can just make up for losses in the playoffs? Do you honestly even give a crap about regular season baseball or basketball? I mean, I love the Spurs, but I don't really care that much about the games until April.

Blake Gideon dropping that INT may have cost Texas the national championship. One. Single. Play.

[doobs]

thats not going to work either because you can just as easily NOT have a consensus #1/#2 after a round of bowl games staggered over 4 weeks where upsets between top teams are almost certain to occur.

not trying to come off as a bcs-appologist, but i think it does a good job of ranking the top teams, i don't think this is the real issue that bothers everyone. the ty part is that there will always be an argument for #1/2 no matter what's ranking (humans or computers) unless there's a playoff. and +1 with the top 4 teams is the way to go...they already added the national le game a few years ago...that's the answer

Frankly, I can't remember a dispute, pre-BCS, as to who the top 2 teams were. I remember disputes as to which team was the best, but it always seemed to come down to 2 teams only (UW and Miami, Michigan and Nebraska, etc.). I don't know, maybe there were disputes about who was #3 and who was #2. I just don't remember.

[lebomb]

I dont understand the argument of how a playoff system LIKE EVERY OTHER SPORT HAS............cannot be made to work with D1-A football. Its too ing stupid to even ask this question. It would be so easy to do........just off the top of my head.

The top 8 ranked schools in the country have a tourney based on ranking 1 v 8, 2 v 7, 3 v 6, 4 v 5 then the semi-final round, then the championship game. You can rotate the top bowls each year and the championship game would go to that bowl. The other bowls for teams 9 and up............... who gives a about the bowls left at this point. They will be just as meaningless as they are now.

This is just a quick thought on how to do it. What is the big ing deal.

JUST DO IT!!! At least we will all feel more comfortable about who should really be #1.