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  1. #2751
    Not that its justified...but what sport or walk of life is not like that when there is money to be had? Its just the way it is and it sucks.
    I understand but it's not great business to be tossing out top 5 and top 10 WW and HW fighters, for minor issues at best..
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    Confirmed on mmajunkie.

    Dana White - wtf??


    A bitterly angry Dana White said Wednesday the Ultimate Fighting Championship has cut highly regarded welterweight contender Jon Fitch and is not going to do business with any fighters who are part of the American Kickboxing Academy team in San Jose, Calif.

    The outspoken UFC president said shortly after landing in Hawaii on Wednesday that he no longer wants to work with AKA fighters or those represented by DeWayne Zinkin and Bob Cook.

    White said he excepted AKA welterweight Mike Swick from that group because he said Swick called him and told him he wants to fight for the UFC. But Fitch and heavyweight Christian Wellisch were cut on Wednesday, and heavyweight prospect Cain Velasquez and welterweight Josh Koscheck could be next.

    "We're looking for guys who want to work with us and not against us, and frankly I'm just so [expletive] sick of this [expletive] it's not even funny," White said from Honolulu, where he flew Wednesday from Toronto to hold a news conference to announce the B.J. Penn-Georges St. Pierre fight for UFC 94 on Jan. 31 in Las Vegas.

    "Affliction is still out there trying to build its company. Let [Fitch] go work with them. Let him see what he thinks of those [expletives]. [Expletive] him. These guys aren't partners with us. [Expletive] them. All of them, every last [expletive] one of them."

    Fitch said Wednesday the dispute was over his reluctance to sign a lifetime contract to allow his name and likeness to be used in a video game the UFC is planning with THQ. He said the dispute has nothing to do with money and that he never caused a problem during his time in the UFC.

    He said he simply didn't understand the need to sign a lifetime contract, particularly since it would not pay his family in the event of his death.

    "Working for free and selling our rights away for lifetime, that's a little different," said Fitch, who said he hasn't spoken with White but plans to call him. "We tried to negotiate five- or 10-year deals with them, but it wasn't good enough. It was all or nothing. He wanted our lifetime. He wanted our souls forever."

    White said the AKA fighters "aren't partners with us" and said they don't understand what the UFC is trying to do for the sport. White said the UFC's current success was because of long hours he and partner Lorenzo Fer ta have put in trying to build the company and the sport of mixed martial arts.

    White complained that he has to make frequent sacrifices in his personal life and is away from his family for long stretches because of his commitment to growing the UFC. He said the AKA fighters don't understand the things UFC management is trying to do and said they'll learn how tough things are in the poor economy.

    "There are a lot of guys who help us and work with us and are great partners with us, and they're the ones we're going to remember and take care of," White said. "Do these guys understand what is going on in this world? I'll tell you, this economy is [expletive] up. It's totally [expletive] up. It's bad, real, real bad. The [television] networks are in trouble and don't have money. The sponsors are in trouble, and they have no money. If they don't have money, they go out of business.

    "It's a whole other world out there, believe me, and let these guys go out there and see what they find."

    White said he took great care of Fitch and said with bonuses and purse, Fitch made $169,000 for his welterweight le fight loss to St. Pierre at UFC 87 in Minneapolis in August. Fitch (17-3 with 1 no-contest) did not dispute that salary figure. He said the UFC "has taken care of me and you've never heard me complain about money. This is a respect thing."

    Fitch said he thought there should room to negotiate on these contracts but said the UFC would not budge.

    He said he understood it was highly unlikely that another company would want to put him in a video game but said it was only reasonable that he not tie his rights up for life.

    White said he flew to San Jose in the summer to talk with the AKA fighters, but Fitch said the discussion was about a merchandising agreement.

    "He wanted us to sign that merchandising agreement, and it was not a very good agreement," Fitch said. "There was not really a reason for us to sign it. The first thing they brought to us was for us to sign all of our rights away for everything forever. It was for very small compensation, and there was no compensation for family members if we were to die.

    "We could die and they could make memorial figurines and stuff and make thousands, millions of dollars, and our families wouldn't see a penny of it. The way they bring the contracts and stuff to us, I don't know, it's just not how business is done."

    Zinkin also represents UFC light heavyweight Chuck Liddell, though Liddell does not fight for AKA. White said he has been "beefing with Zinkin for years" and said he had to call Liddell, one of his closest friends, and tell him to get Zinkin to back off.

    According to White, Liddell said Zinkin represented him on sponsorships and he would negotiate his own deals with the UFC.

    Fitch said he has been a loyal UFC employee and said, "I'd only like a little bit of respect for the blood I shed for this company."

    White said he has sacrificed more than anyone to build the UFC into the powerhouse it has become and that he's tired of athletes who don't want to "get with the program."

    Velasquez, one of the sport's rising stars, clearly is on the outs with White. White said Zinkin wanted standard language that is part of every UFC fighter's contract removed from Velasquez's deal.

    "Can you believe that?" White said. "Chuck Liddell has that language in his contract. Randy Couture has it. Anderson Silva has it. And Cain [expletive] Velasquez, with two [expletive] fights, wants us to change it for him? That's [expletive] nuts. He can get the [expletive] out.


    "I'm not a bag () and I do a lot for these guys, a lot more than any of you will ever know. We're in a horrible time in the economy now, and every guy with two nickels to rub together is making a run at us. We've worked too hard, given too much, to let certain guys come in and [expletive] with that."

    Fitch said he's not trying to mess with anything and that he simply wants to fight. He said he always has been respectful in all his dealings with the UFC and said he can't understand the position he finds himself in without ever having spoken to White.

    He plans to call White to discuss the situation but wasn't sure what move to make.

    "I'm more than willing to work with them, but I don't see why we have to give up our whole lives for this," Fitch said. "Why not a time limit? If we did a 10-year deal with them, is that that unreasonable? I don't understand how this happened, honestly. It's tough."
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    Here's another side to the story from the unofficial leak person from the UFC.

    http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma....1375292&page=1

    This lady is legit and has never been wrong. Cindy.
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    Follow this thread for "both sides of the story"

    http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/?go=...=1&page=1&pc=5
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    Here's another side to the story from the unofficial leak person from the UFC.

    http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma....1375292&page=1

    This lady is legit and has never been wrong. Cindy.
    She is legit, but that makes me all the more su ious of her statements. Being so into the UFC, odds are she'll put the spin on the situation in their favor.
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    She is legit, but that makes me all the more su ious of her statements. Being so into the UFC, odds are she'll put the spin on the situation in their favor.
    Yeah

    My guess is AKA was uniting as a group to change the contracts.
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    That's what it sounds like, but man - how far on the outs does this put Swick with his teammates?
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    wow Dana looks like a psycho with his comments

    A real OWNer who if this continues can do more bad then good.

    Not [expletive] good
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    Dana White - wtf??


    A bitterly angry Dana White said Wednesday the Ultimate Fighting Championship has cut highly regarded welterweight contender Jon Fitch and is not going to do business with any fighters who are part of the American Kickboxing Academy team in San Jose, Calif.

    The outspoken UFC president said shortly after landing in Hawaii on Wednesday that he no longer wants to work with AKA fighters or those represented by DeWayne Zinkin and Bob Cook.

    White said he excepted AKA welterweight Mike Swick from that group because he said Swick called him and told him he wants to fight for the UFC. But Fitch and heavyweight Christian Wellisch were cut on Wednesday, and heavyweight prospect Cain Velasquez and welterweight Josh Koscheck could be next.

    "We're looking for guys who want to work with us and not against us, and frankly I'm just so [expletive] sick of this [expletive] it's not even funny," White said from Honolulu, where he flew Wednesday from Toronto to hold a news conference to announce the B.J. Penn-Georges St. Pierre fight for UFC 94 on Jan. 31 in Las Vegas.

    "Affliction is still out there trying to build its company. Let [Fitch] go work with them. Let him see what he thinks of those [expletives]. [Expletive] him. These guys aren't partners with us. [Expletive] them. All of them, every last [expletive] one of them."

    Fitch said Wednesday the dispute was over his reluctance to sign a lifetime contract to allow his name and likeness to be used in a video game the UFC is planning with THQ. He said the dispute has nothing to do with money and that he never caused a problem during his time in the UFC.

    He said he simply didn't understand the need to sign a lifetime contract, particularly since it would not pay his family in the event of his death.

    "Working for free and selling our rights away for lifetime, that's a little different," said Fitch, who said he hasn't spoken with White but plans to call him. "We tried to negotiate five- or 10-year deals with them, but it wasn't good enough. It was all or nothing. He wanted our lifetime. He wanted our souls forever."

    White said the AKA fighters "aren't partners with us" and said they don't understand what the UFC is trying to do for the sport. White said the UFC's current success was because of long hours he and partner Lorenzo Fer ta have put in trying to build the company and the sport of mixed martial arts.

    White complained that he has to make frequent sacrifices in his personal life and is away from his family for long stretches because of his commitment to growing the UFC. He said the AKA fighters don't understand the things UFC management is trying to do and said they'll learn how tough things are in the poor economy.

    "There are a lot of guys who help us and work with us and are great partners with us, and they're the ones we're going to remember and take care of," White said. "Do these guys understand what is going on in this world? I'll tell you, this economy is [expletive] up. It's totally [expletive] up. It's bad, real, real bad. The [television] networks are in trouble and don't have money. The sponsors are in trouble, and they have no money. If they don't have money, they go out of business.

    "It's a whole other world out there, believe me, and let these guys go out there and see what they find."

    White said he took great care of Fitch and said with bonuses and purse, Fitch made $169,000 for his welterweight le fight loss to St. Pierre at UFC 87 in Minneapolis in August. Fitch (17-3 with 1 no-contest) did not dispute that salary figure. He said the UFC "has taken care of me and you've never heard me complain about money. This is a respect thing."

    Fitch said he thought there should room to negotiate on these contracts but said the UFC would not budge.

    He said he understood it was highly unlikely that another company would want to put him in a video game but said it was only reasonable that he not tie his rights up for life.

    White said he flew to San Jose in the summer to talk with the AKA fighters, but Fitch said the discussion was about a merchandising agreement.

    "He wanted us to sign that merchandising agreement, and it was not a very good agreement," Fitch said. "There was not really a reason for us to sign it. The first thing they brought to us was for us to sign all of our rights away for everything forever. It was for very small compensation, and there was no compensation for family members if we were to die.

    "We could die and they could make memorial figurines and stuff and make thousands, millions of dollars, and our families wouldn't see a penny of it. The way they bring the contracts and stuff to us, I don't know, it's just not how business is done."

    Zinkin also represents UFC light heavyweight Chuck Liddell, though Liddell does not fight for AKA. White said he has been "beefing with Zinkin for years" and said he had to call Liddell, one of his closest friends, and tell him to get Zinkin to back off.

    According to White, Liddell said Zinkin represented him on sponsorships and he would negotiate his own deals with the UFC.

    Fitch said he has been a loyal UFC employee and said, "I'd only like a little bit of respect for the blood I shed for this company."

    White said he has sacrificed more than anyone to build the UFC into the powerhouse it has become and that he's tired of athletes who don't want to "get with the program."

    Velasquez, one of the sport's rising stars, clearly is on the outs with White. White said Zinkin wanted standard language that is part of every UFC fighter's contract removed from Velasquez's deal.

    "Can you believe that?" White said. "Chuck Liddell has that language in his contract. Randy Couture has it. Anderson Silva has it. And Cain [expletive] Velasquez, with two [expletive] fights, wants us to change it for him? That's [expletive] nuts. He can get the [expletive] out.


    "I'm not a bag () and I do a lot for these guys, a lot more than any of you will ever know. We're in a horrible time in the economy now, and every guy with two nickels to rub together is making a run at us. We've worked too hard, given too much, to let certain guys come in and [expletive] with that."

    Fitch said he's not trying to mess with anything and that he simply wants to fight. He said he always has been respectful in all his dealings with the UFC and said he can't understand the position he finds himself in without ever having spoken to White.

    He plans to call White to discuss the situation but wasn't sure what move to make.

    "I'm more than willing to work with them, but I don't see why we have to give up our whole lives for this," Fitch said. "Why not a time limit? If we did a 10-year deal with them, is that that unreasonable? I don't understand how this happened, honestly. It's tough."
    Dana White is such a massive Asshole it is not even funny.. I can't take the UFC side on this. "So sign what we tell you or hit the road, even it if is a bull deal". Just keep getting rid of top guys UFC, and be arrogant enough to think it will never come back to bite you..
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  10. #2760
    wow Dana looks like a psycho with his comments

    A real OWNer who if this continues can do more bad then good.

    Not [expletive] good
    Ya think, he is a classless tool White.. This behavior and actions is not good for business. White talks about getting the UFC mainstream well maybe some people don't want to deal with them because of his mouth and garbage, did he ever think of that??
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    Fitch will be back….this whole thing will blow over and get worked out.
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  12. #2762
    Fitch will be back….this whole thing will blow over and get worked out.
    I would hope so but what is up with him threatening everyone at that team like they are one in the same?? I hate this at ude of "We don't like your MGT so get rid of them or we will get rid of you"
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    I would hope so but what is up with him threatening everyone at that team like they are one in the same?? I hate this at ude of "We don't like your MGT so get rid of them or we will get rid of you"
    I have no idea but I honestly feel like we don't know half the story so I am trying to wait and see.

    Whatever true legit news comes out will be on this site http://www.fightopinion.com/ which as I have always said is the most unbiased MMA site around IMO. The guy that runs this has an awesome memory and nails anyone who makes a hypocritical statement or changes their story. Bloodyelbow is awesome at breaking news but Zach Arnold collects the news and links it better than anyone.

    Best MMA blog by a mile....
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    I have no idea but I honestly feel like we don't know half the story so I am trying to wait and see.

    Whatever true legit news comes out will be on this site http://www.fightopinion.com/ which as I have always said is the most unbiased MMA site around IMO. The guy that runs this has an awesome memory and nails anyone who makes a hypocritical statement or changes their story. Bloodyelbow is awesome at breaking news but Zach Arnold collects the news and links it better than anyone.

    Best MMA blog by a mile....
    Fitch did an interview and he said flat out that "the UFC will dump Koscheck after his next fight as well as Cain and he is gone because they did not want to sign this agreement to hand away their life-time rights". He said "they would dump Kos right now if he was not head-lining in this upcoming show".. All i can say is i have no reason whatsoever to not believe him.. The UFC is a monopoly, he is in no position to negotiate, but the UFC is in full position to nail him to the wall on whatever the they want.. I believe Fitch..
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    UFC isn't a monopoly….other people can compete. They just suck at it.
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    UFC isn't a monopoly….other people can compete. They just suck at it.
    You said yesterday, "There will never be compe on, it's too late" now they aren't a monopoly. If this is true are you really pro-UFC on this one??
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    You said yesterday, "There will never be compe on, it's too late" now they aren't a monopoly. If this is true are you really pro-UFC on this one??
    Other people can compete, they just suck at it. There is nothing stopping anyone from trying beyond their own incompetence. Whats incorrect about that?

    How that makes me "pro ufc on this one" is beyond me….
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    Other people can compete, they just suck at it. There is nothing stopping anyone from trying beyond their own incompetence. Whats incorrect about that?
    Saying "it's too late to compete" is a statement indicating it is impossible to compete with the UFC. Saying "If people were smarter about it they could hang in there" is something else..

    How that makes me "pro ufc on this one" is beyond me….
    I'm asking you, not telling you..
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    compe ion...it will never happen. It's way too late.

    I'm not sure who had the best chance but its long gone. There will never be compe ion. Ever. They would have have to get their foot in the door in 05.
    ^^
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    Saying "it's too late to compete" is a statement indicating it is impossible to compete with the UFC. Saying "If people were smarter about it they could hang in there" is something else....
    You're seriously splitting hairs here...take what you want from it but you should look up what a monopoly is.



    I'm asking you, not telling you..
    I have already answered this. If true its the dumbest thing I have ever seen the UFC do by a mile.
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    You're seriously splitting hairs here...take what you want from it but you should look up what a monopoly is.
    monopoly-- exists when a specific individual or enterprise has sufficient control over a particular product or service

    The UFC does not fall into this category how exactly?? They can pull stunts like this all they want because they are the only consistant game in the market..
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    UFC has no control over other orgs.

    UFC has control of their employees...like every other company. Thats not a monopoly.

    Anyway...i'm dropping this monopoly debate. If you think its one then ok. No problem.
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    UFC has no control over other orgs.

    UFC has control of their employees...like every other company. Thats not a monopoly.

    Anyway...i'm dropping this monopoly debate. If you think its one then ok. No problem.
    A monopoly is not defined as having control over other organizations it is defined by having a controlling share of the market, which the UFC has.. A lack of compe on, which there is.. Thus they can spank guys like Fitch whenever they want knowing, they'll likely have to come back..
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    A monopoly is not defined as having control over other organizations it is defined by having a controlling share of the market, which the UFC has.. A lack of compe on, which there is.. Thus they can spank guys like Fitch whenever they want knowing, they'll likely have to come back..
    That is sad truth.

    Now after Brock win and UFC win with having him as a HW champ Dana thinks he is not mortal and he can do whatever he wants cause he ows the sport cause he have done for the fighters so many good things.

    That's the worst business conflict that can be-> who is more important - the promoter or the fighter?
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