Rebounding

[tp2021]

In another month or two, we should have a good idea if rebounding is a problem. I don't expect it to be but if it is, trading for a rebounder or replacing Ahearn with a rebounder could become a necessity.

Having a fluid 15th spot is a good thing.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Ya TIMVP I agree with basically everything you said, I did look at the numbers and Bonner is a better rebounder than I thought. And Yes I guess compared to other Spurs teams their defensive rebounding has gotten worse, I didn't think from that perspective, remember every time the Suns grab a defensive rebound it's a case of "even a blind squirrel can find an acorn".


Just so you know the overall point of the thread was to show the over simplifiers how even though they're both guards Manu and Parker being out affects rebounding in a lot of indirect ways, and that as someone who's followed KT for years I know how painful it is to watch him in November and early December, he obviously doesn't have a great off season program where he stays in shape which is something I don't think Pop cared to change since KT knows his body better than anyone else at his age.

[silk]

I also think it's a great thread and I really appreciate your posts DuncanownsKobe

I mean, this is what i like about spurstalk, we get to see point of view from other teams fans ( LA, Pistons, even some mavs one...) and from all the posters, with Timvp, their takes are often the most interesting ones, reversely, the takes from some spurs fans ( i won't give names..) are not that insightful ( I include myself in the pack ^^ )

This is also why some forums with only blind fans of their own teams are so boring ( i think of some suns "cultist" forums..)

I'm from France, 5 or 6 years ago, i got struck by the play of TD, then the more I dig, the more I follow the spurs, the more they seem "special" for me, from the role players, the way the front office often do his job, and even the forums/fans... I mean i'm kind of an objective and neutral fan ( if such a monster exist ), I don't like the spurs because they are in my town, or for other reasons, but only for the beauty of the way they approach and play the game and when i'll see mediocrity on this team, i will quit it with no remorse to find back "it" again, maybe in a totally different thing ( before it was french soccer national team, with zidane and deschamps... which had that "specialness")

That's quite a long, boring, and narcissist disgression, sorry for it and for my english

[BlackBellamy]

I also think it's a great thread and I really appreciate your posts DuncanownsKobe

I mean, this is what i like about spurstalk, we get to see point of view from other teams fans ( LA, Pistons, even some mavs one...) and from all the posters, with Timvp, their takes are often the most interesting ones, reversely, the takes from some spurs fans ( i won't give names..) are not that insightful ( I include myself in the pack ^^ )

This is also why some forums with only blind fans of their own teams are so boring ( i think of some suns "cultist" forums..)

I'm from France, 5 or 6 years ago, i got struck by the play of TD, then the more I dig, the more I follow the spurs, the more they seem "special" for me, from the role players, the way the front office often do his job, and even the forums/fans... I mean i'm kind of an objective and neutral fan ( if such a monster exist ), I don't like the spurs because they are in my town, or for other reasons, but only for the beauty of the way they approach and play the game and when i'll see mediocrity on this team, i will quit it with no remorse to find back "it" again, maybe in a totally different thing ( before it was french soccer national team, with zidane and deschamps... which had that "specialness")

That's quite a long, boring, and narcissist disgression, sorry for it and for my english

Sorry for your english? Good god man, have you read through the majority of posts on this site? Compared to a good 90 percent of folks on this board (American born most likely) your english is impeccable.

[silk]

Thanks bellamy, I tend to be somewhat of a perfectionnist with language, I think a spurs philosophical view would be a good contibution ( one time, i will make a french book about it, there could be an unexpected success, you got warned here the first lol )

I really liked the anecdotes about Duncan psychology piece study published, or ginobili readin' an history book on his way to Denver..Pop and the geopolitics, (malik rose and stoician sport philosophy) spurs and cultur is also one of the spurs facette

Too bad it's not even the second or the third more popular one on the forum ( that would be the trade x, and the tony vs manu debates, the first one being game thoughts )

[Manufan909]

Thanks bellamy, I tend to be somewhat of a perfectionnist with language, I think a spurs philosophical view would be a good contibution ( one time, i will make a french book about it, there could be an unexpected success, you got warned here the first lol )

I really liked the anecdotes about Duncan psychology piece study published, or ginobili readin' an history book on his way to Denver..Pop and the geopolitics, spurs and cultur is also one of the spurs facette

Too bad it's not even the second or the third more popular one on the forum ( that would be the trade x, and the tony vs manu debates, the first one being game thoughts )

Your english>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ducks' and sequ's english together

[silk]

Your english>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ducks' and sequ's english together

Even if it is not that great (or difficult) of an achievement, it's still a pleasure to be somewhat recognized in some ways

[Manufan909]

True. And ducks represents a negative there, so it is somewhat of a gimme.

[duncan228]

...I really liked the anecdotes about Duncan psychology piece study published...

Are you talking about the piece Duncan wrote on himself, "The Psychoanalysis of Tim Duncan", or the chapter in the psychology book he co-authored?

[silk]

Are you talking about the piece Duncan wrote on himself, "The Psychoanalysis of Tim Duncan", or the chapter in the psychology book he co-authored?

The chapter in the psychology book that i would love to read...but not so easy to put an hand on it in france, US psychology is , alas, not very appreciated here

The psychoanalysis on Tim duncan if you had a link to some extract, i would be grateful

[duncan228]

The chapter in the psychology book that i would love to read...but not so easy to put an hand on it in france, US psychology is , alas, not very appreciated here

It's pretty cool that you know about it, I don't run into many people that do. You can find it online, like Amazon. It's pricey, but you can usually find a used copy cheaper.

The psychoanalysis on Tim duncan if you had a link to some extract, i would be grateful

A ST link to Duncan's Psychoanalysis:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...3&postcount=17

[raspsa]

Getting high leapers won't improve rebounding necessarily.. was it Bill Russell who said that 90% of rebounds are below the rim? Positioning, quickness, teamwork and desire are the keys and any deficiencies in this area are sure to be correected by Pop in the coming weeks and months. Still, I'm looking forward to Ian's contributions.

[silk]

It's pretty cool that you know about it, I don't run into many people that do. You can find it online, like Amazon. It's pricey, but you can usually find a used copy cheaper.



A ST link to Duncan's Psychoanalysis:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...3&postcount=17

Thanks I collect as many informations as possible on some spurs players, especially Duncan, the best part of his game, for me, the one that struck me the most, is the attention he give to each of his moves, or lay-ups, as if each one have to be perfect ( meanwhile, the great krishnamurti once said attention was the path to genius), from this we can deduce how his famous quote " striving for perfection" is not just a good word, but how he really apply it

I try to do the same in my work, but i'm more manu-like on this aspect lol

[mathbzh]

Getting high leapers won't improve rebounding necessarily.. was it Bill Russell who said that 90% of rebounds are below the rim?

He said that during the 2007 PO

Rebounding: It’s Not All About Height

By averaging 25 points and 14 rebounds against the Warriors thus far, Carlos Boozer, who is 6-9, has been receiving a lot of national attention for his play, particularly for doing what he’s done as a perceived “undersized” frontcourt player. In my opinion, though, once you get past 6-9, it doesn’t make any difference what size you are, you can play with anybody. Like I was telling some people last week, when I was in college, with a running jump I could touch the top of the backboard because I was one of the world’s best high jumpers. But most rebounds are taken below the height of the rim. So if I jump up and touch the top of the backboard, there are no rebounds up there. In fact, when I was at my best, if I had to outjump somebody to get a rebound, that was the last line of defense. In other words, I was under duress. I hoped to never let it get to that where I had to outjump a guy. Rebounding is positioning and timing. That is why Bill Laimbeer and Paul Silas were both quite good at rebounding even though neither one could jump very high.

[ceperez]

Anderson Varejao is actually in the last year of his contract and didn't want to stay in Cleveland in the first place, once the "offer matched" trade restriction is off his contract the Spurs could go after him. Cleveland could be interested in Bonner/Tolliver since none of their bigs can shoot very well (except for big Z but he's a scrub), I have a strange hunch Pop is playing Bonner so much early on with the hopes of getting his trade value up.

Same here. Let's hope a Bonner plus Vaughn trade can lead to a decent big man.

[mrspurs]

Yeah, but he taps the ball out to other players the best.

Thats how they play in the WNBA.

[mrspurs]

Same here. Let's hope a Bonner plus Vaughn trade can lead to a decent big man.

Thats are only hope if we plan on making a serious run at another championship. I dont think Ian is the man, but he's the only one on the roster who can make that difference. Then again he does us no good in austin. After Timmy there is noone thats gonna be able to play with Shaq and Amare. Bynum and Gasol. Yao and Scolla. Tyson and West. Greg and Aldrige. Okur and Boozer. Heck even Nene and Martin. (and thats just the west) Those teams also have pretty dang good 1s 2s and 3s. Bonner and Jacque would be a nice trade for someone whos got alot of bigs. Like the blazers. If Greg could play without getting hurt we might be able to trade for Channing. We could even send them Fab or Kurt as a thank you for helping us out.

[m33p0]

Same here. Let's hope a Bonner plus Vaughn trade can lead to a decent big man.

hmm... i don't know.... Pop has always been cautious about bringing in a new guy in the middle of the season especially if it involves trading away someone who is familiar with the system. it has to be more than just a decent big, as in quality-role-player big.

for those who will use kurt thomas, elson never really grasped the Spurs system.

[mrspurs]

A player that might be available in a trade and would give us the most bang for the buck towards rebounding is Jeff Foster. He plays as hard as Bowen and could guard the likes of a Stoudamire, Gasol or West. I think he would fit along Ducan well. He is in the last year of a 6 mil contract so a trade might be difficult.

Even Foster is an upgrade over Fab and Kurt. Then again it doesnt take much.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

hmm... i don't know.... Pop has always been cautious about bringing in a new guy in the middle of the season especially if it involves trading away someone who is familiar with the system. it has to be more than just a decent big, as in quality-role-player big.

for those who will use kurt thomas, elson never really grasped the Spurs system.

What about Nazr Mouhammed for Malik Rose? Rose was having a bad year but he knew their system just as good as the next guy. Mouhammed was a BEAST for them in 2005 but they sure coulda used Rose again Dirk in 2006. My point is the if Pop thinks they need to add a big since LA has 3 serviceable bigs, he'll do it. I still think KT has plenty left in the tank.

[Man In Black]

The only stat Pop really cares about is... Opp FG % Allowed.
Do a study on that one, that would be of more interest to me