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Ummmmm NO......if anyone goes it will be Udoka or Vaughn. Hill has too much upside............and Mason has been more than expected.
I am not saying soon. But I don't think it works to have so much talent in the 1 and 2 positions, when we are deficient in the 3 and 5.
If Udoka and/or bowen just played like he did last year, we are fine this year at SF. Unfortunately, I am thinking that unless we see some significant improvement, they are too much of a drag for the playoffs, and definitely for next year...
Kt is still recovering, or so they say. I am afraid we put a big dime into an old man and lost that bet.
We can't give minutes to all 4 of our very good back court players is the dilemma. Granted, Ghill will need some time, but I would say by next year he deserves 30 minutes a game. So do the other 3. Those minutes do not exist unless we play a 3 guard lineup, which is just too small to be successful over a season.
The only answer is to groom them, and probably trade either Mason or Ghill. I would assume Ghill goes, because Parker will stay a peak player longer than manu, and mason can also play pg as well.
Enjoy these guys while we can, this is the best back court in Spurs history.
Ummmmm NO......if anyone goes it will be Udoka or Vaughn. Hill has too much upside............and Mason has been more than expected.
Hill is an SG in the NBA at best, and only for stretches. He'd get destroyed at SF.
Mason has the ability, but bigger SF's will overpower him if he's forced to do it on a night to night basis.
Manu should be traded for a top big. The spurs could go with Parker Hill Mason and Vaughn in the backcourt with Duncan and another quality bigman.
Inevitable is a very inaccurate word to use. I actually don't see either one of those getting moved.
If Mahinmi doesn't show up soon, I am quite positive the Spurs will have a big trade/signing before the deadline. Either that or they'll try to tank the season.
Why would they try to tank the season when they were able to go .500 largely without Manu and Tony?
As far as the OP goes, I think we will see some stretches of three-guard lineups throughout the year. Bowen or Udoka will be brought in if additional size is needed on defense, but I fully expect several minutes a game (if not more) where we see Tony/Hill/Manu or Hill/Mason/Manu or Mason/Manu/Finley, etc., on the court at the same time.
Neither of those two would be moved. They might move Bonner, Thomas, Finley, Fab, Vaughn for a small forward, but not Hill or Mason.
Manu,Parker,Hill,Mason more than makeup for the shallowness at the 3 spot. Im not concerned about that.
WE NEED A BIG!!!!
we can get a SF as a free agent Outlaw and Ariza will be free agents soon
A Parker (or Hill), Ginobili and Mason lineup will work well against most of the teams.
Trading Manu would be asinine unless you can get an All-NBA type player, which isn't likely given Manu's salary and teams' understandable reluctance to move those sorts of players. You don't trade exceptionally talented players for less talented players who fill perceived needs -- if you do, you don't expect to compete for les.
After all the small ball this team has played over the years, this is a particularly strange question.
(Presuming your a Laker Fan because of your sig)
You crack me up. The Spurs are your biggest nightmare and will wipe the Lakers out of the playoffs if we get to meet up again. Enjoy all your good health and fat regular season wins while it lasts. You're going down once the real season starts.
Manu Ginobili is going to slap sasha if Trevor doesn't do it first. Its payback time brutha !
Yes, I am a Lakers fan.(Presuming your a Laker Fan because of your sig)
You crack me up. The Spurs are your biggest nightmare and will wipe the Lakers out of the playoffs if we get to meet up again. Enjoy all your good health and fat regular season wins while it lasts. You're going down once the real season starts.
Manu Ginobili is going to slap sasha if Trevor doesn't do it first. Its payback time brutha !
I just don't think the Spurs can win a Playoff series against the larger Western teams without help for Tim. Portland, Dallas, Houston, and Suns will be particularly hard.
Tony and Manu coming back will really improve the Spurs but neither of them can guard a Shaq/Amare/Diaw, Yao/Scola/Landry or Dampier/Dirk/Diop, Oden/Aldridge/Pryz/Frye.
Last edited by Allanon; 11-26-2008 at 01:52 PM.
Ah. Always skimming here at work puts me in bad positions
In a word, no. Mason is here for this season minimum. Hill has the ability to back up Tony better than anyone he's had since Speedy, which is been one of our biggest problems.
Dallas ceased to be a major threat (unless the Spurs just lay an egg) when they traded for Kidd.
The Suns might be big up front, but they still have 3 TERRIBLE defensive players on the court most of the time. Doesn't matter than Porter has changed their philosophy.
Houston and the Lakers are going to be tough no matter what the Spurs do.
Unless some team decides that they really like Bonner and/or Thomas' expiring deals after next season, I think it's most likely that this will be the Spurs team for the remainder of the season, with maybe a very minor move here or there.
The team may have deficiencies at the 3 & 5, but if you move Hill/Mason - then you create two equally big deficiencies (4th scoring option & back-up PG).
first of all, I dont see a major trade comming and I like how solid our FO stays...the SF-spot shouldnt be a problem, as we shouldnt have a problem playing manu or finley there for more minutes, than some might think...(if you dont go against artest, lebron or melo most SF should be guardable and if I recal correctely mason guarded lebron in te playoffs too)...come playofftime we will need bruce or udoka to play at peak level anyway, or we are done
...the bigger problem will be the 5 spot, or at least another 4 to help inside...so lets play around a little bit...
(btw. I could see the spurs trading hill just to delete some mistakes like the bonner contract)
option #1:
....damit...I really tried...I really did...there just isnt a team, which doesnt allready posess a PG-project (rose, harris, augustine,...) + has a wothy bigg (orlando?, milwaukee, minesota) + doesnt play for the ship right now (therefore no interest in getting a rookie to run the show)
just couldnt find something I like with a basic package of hill+bonner+(vaughn/finley/thomas)...best thing was another trade with the supersonics but collison or wilcox dont have deals our team will like and they also have westbrook at PG
...guess we have to hope mahinmi and bonner can help a little, kurt is ready come plyofftime and hill hasnt already stopped growing!
Mason Manu and Hill will not be moved! If we cant upgrade by trading vaughn, KT Bonner or Berto then we will likely sit on our roster. The SF spot is in better shape then the center spot right now.
Finley and Mason with Bowen will hold down the fort, wouldnt be suprised to see the spurs go after stackhouse who is on his way out of Dallas. Carney from Minn would be a great fit.
The teams in the west who can hurt us have more size up front so that is what we need to go after....get another big.........Gist could have really helped at the 3 this year.
They only team that could be us now is LA in a 7 game series. Houston is weak and Artest seem to wanna be the star not the third wheel. Jazz cant play D....NO is overrated big time, they have no backup pg and they dont look good in the open floor. The Suns are a Dog who will slow down after the All Star break, Dallas cant win with its current roster and Portland is way to young.
Ian can be the diff between beating LA or not. If Ian can give us 8 and 8 with a couple blocks or at least changes shots we will be fine, yet I would not be surprised to see SA deal the rights to Splitter for help now. Same he didnt come over ...he would have given us a clear edge
I seriousy doubt you have the basketball a en that Coach Pop has, so instead of thinking too hard about it, just kick back and enjoy the games.
You think Dampier and Diop actually need to be guarded? Dirk's the only one of those three that needs effort to defend.
we definitely need a big man who can help Duncan, Thomas/Oberto/Bonner/Toliver are not enough, they are too slow, short or old.
hopefully Mahinmi can be the help Duncan need mostly on defense against the top big man duos in the league.
See last season's PO's ; identical rosters, older shaq, malcontent Amare, useless diaw
Not really fearing themYao/Scola/Landry
Dirk is the only one who plays on O, we won't play Portland in the playoffs and it took a monster game from them to beat us by a basket at their houseDampier/Dirk/Diop, Oden/Aldridge/Pryz/Frye.
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