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i hope them eskimos like vodka!He even suggested that "we could claim Alaska - it was only granted on lease, after all."
RUSSIAN ANALYST PREDICTS DECLINE AND BREAKUP OF USA
Tue Nov 25 2008 09:04:22 ET
A leading Russian political analyst has said the economic turmoil in the United States has confirmed his long-held view that the country is heading for collapse, and will divide into separate parts.
Professor Igor Panarin said in an interview with the respected daily IZVESTIA published on Monday: "The dollar is not secured by anything. The country's foreign debt has grown like an avalanche, even though in the early 1980s there was no debt. By 1998, when I first made my prediction, it had exceeded $2 trillion. Now it is more than 11 trillion. This is a pyramid that can only collapse."
The paper said Panarin's dire predictions for the U.S. economy, initially made at an international conference in Australia 10 years ago at a time when the economy appeared strong, have been given more credence by this year's events.
When asked when the U.S. economy would collapse, Panarin said: "It is already collapsing. Due to the financial crisis, three of the largest and oldest five banks on Wall Street have already ceased to exist, and two are barely surviving. Their losses are the biggest in history. Now what we will see is a change in the regulatory system on a global financial scale: America will no longer be the world's financial regulator."
When asked who would replace the U.S. in regulating world markets, he said: "Two countries could assume this role: China, with its vast reserves, and Russia, which could play the role of a regulator in Eurasia."
Asked why he expected the U.S. to break up into separate parts, he said: "A whole range of reasons. Firstly, the financial problems in the U.S. will get worse. Millions of citizens there have lost their savings. Prices and unemployment are on the rise. General Motors and Ford are on the verge of collapse, and this means that whole cities will be left without work. Governors are already insistently demanding money from the federal center. Dissatisfaction is growing, and at the moment it is only being held back by the elections and the hope that Obama can work miracles. But by spring, it will be clear that there are no miracles."
He also cited the "vulnerable political setup", "lack of unified national laws", and "divisions among the elite, which have become clear in these crisis conditions."
He predicted that the U.S. will break up into six parts - the Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Native American populations; and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong.
He even suggested that "we could claim Alaska - it was only granted on lease, after all." Panarin, 60, is a professor at the Diplomatic Academy of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and has authored several books on information warfare.
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i hope them eskimos like vodka!He even suggested that "we could claim Alaska - it was only granted on lease, after all."
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seems like russia forgets that america prides itself on being a melting pot. we base our nationalism on ideals, not ethnicity (unlike russia). as to the economy, americans should start reading john locke again. why arent his ideas taught in public schools????
I haven't seen much Philosophy in high schools or lower, it seems as though it's a rariety.
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seems like russia forgets that america prides itself on being a melting pot. we base our nationalism on ideals, not ethnicity (unlike russia). as to the economy, americans should start reading john locke again. why arent his ideas taught in public schools????
"seems like russia forgets that america prides itself on being a melting pot"
10s of Ms are primarily "nativist", anti-immigration, you know, pitbull 's "real Americans", like the lilly white country club Repug national convention.
Where has this stupid er been hiding???? In the early 1980's there was no debt???? We have had debt since Alexander Hamilton conned us into it. And least this idiot forget, it was Reagan's massive defense spending that bankrupted the USSR. And with that spending came mountains and mountains of debt in the 1980's.
And guess what?? We go down and there is no mass consumer base to buy all that made in China. And no jobs to be exported to India. Let's see how those two giants can do without the USA financing their growth.
And now that oil has fallen from $147 per barrel in Aug 2008 to $50 per barrel in Nov 2008, lets see how well the Russian economy does. They are an inch away from defaulting on loans.......and of course our financial guys are in bed with them on CDO's.
sums it up. as if russia is better off than america in anyway shape or form.
russia as a regulator of anything?
on the other hand, i always kinda wondered if the downfall of america would happen in my life or not. kinda similar to all the previous empires that have fallen, it has to happen to some gerneration right? always been kinda curious as to what it would be like to go through something like that.
I'm guessing it would be rather sucky.
lol russians.
"it was Reagan's massive defense spending that bankrupted the USSR"
hmm, not so simple, or even accurate. That's the bull PR line from St. Ronnie devotees and his Repug hagiographers and revisionists.
Russia was financing their quagmire in Afghanistan with hard dollars from high oil prices after the Iranian oil shock. When that shock pushed the world into recession, reduced demand, and into oil conservation, the price of oil plummeted, robbing Russia of hard currency and essentially bankrupting the Russian empire.
St Ronnie's military buildup and "tear that wall down" were bull . Robert Gates, yes, that Gates, at CIA started to compromise the intelligence away from hard facts towards "facts" that fit WH political agenda.
The CIA, if they knew, couldn't say the Russians were essentially bankrupt and ready to collapse since that would have removed the justification of Ronnie's subsidization of the MIC with his unnecessary buildup.
George Tenet "fixing up the intel" to justify Iraq invasion was just following in Gates' footsteps.
vast reserves of what? American I.O.U.s?
It's silly to take any kind of study based out of Russia as anything more than food for thought. Russia is a chinese finger trap on every citizen's , and what's more perverted, the majority of them seem to like it....as if it will lead to some future reincarnation of The Great Mother Russia.
I'm starting to believe pompousness and a false sense of superiority is simply a genetic trait of Russian people that became passed onto them from the dominant class of medieval Moscovy.
Their view on the world is basically like Aggies to Longhorns. They exist only to scoff us.
And if the US did break apart, Russia would be a major influence in the world, but West Europe (sans Germany) would consolidate power in the Mediterranean to counterbalance any influence a Russia-Iran-China bloc would deliver. Hence Sarkozy anouncing intentions to create a Mediterranean Union.
Last edited by Cant_Be_Faded; 11-25-2008 at 11:06 PM. Reason: my bad
In related news, Professor Igor Panarin has confirmed that he posts on the SpursTalk message board under the moniker 'SpursDynasty'.
Well, it could happen, but we are no where close. It would still take a very long time.
I see it as Russian propaganda. Probably not even supported widely by his peers.
Reagan convinced the Saudis that the Soviets were a threat, and that OPEC should open the spigots wide to make the price of oil collapse. He did so even over the virulent objections of Alexander Haig and George Bush, who flew to Riyadh to plead with the Saudis to defy Reagan. Bush feared Reagan's plan would decimate the Texas economy. When Haig and Bush arrived back in Washington, Reagan aides were ready to escort them to the Oval Office, where the President relieved Bush of his testicles, and Haig of his job.
The Saudis and OPEC followed the President's plan. The price of oil collapsed, the Soviets were starved for money, and Texas went through an economic depression.
The height of the Soviet Union was the apogee of Russian power in history. The Russians would like to get back to a place where they matter again, rather than being a semi-developed backward nation with a steeply declining population and an economy that rises and falls with the price of oil. A big part of that nostalgia is wrapped up in stirring up a rivalry with the U.S. They will misbehave on the international scene simply for the attention, as a child does.
Russian "scientists" like to engage in a mixture of false bravado and wishful thinking, where they come up with such whoppers as "The U.S. is about to collapse," or "Oil comes from the earth's core rather than dead plant matter."
I sometimes wonder if the cranks who live in Alaska, and in rural parts of the Pacific Northwest between the Cascades and the Rockies, have a lot of Russian ancestry. The rhetoric is analogous.
How could we remain numero uno when we have thieves and magicians running the country.
Couldn't even outlast Rome. Granted the technology speeds things up.
Name one unquestioned world power that lasted longer than Rome.
Thats right. None. Rome was/is the pinnacle of (known) world dominance. Maybe Alexander and his Great Campaign but it lasted no longer than his short life, so I dont count it.
that dude.
......but he does have a point.
Forget Reagan.....looks like its Gorby getting the last laugh after all..
Confucius say, Westerner think world end at tip of his nose.
Don't forget about the dude with the magic water. Russian "science" has produced a good share of total quacks, and doesn't seem to be doing much better these days than it did in the Soviet era.
Cheeky monkey. Good one.
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