You can't even resist a Duncan Transformer phone....You mean this isn't possible?
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Hahah, I think you would be out of control with said cloning machine in your hands
Hill is a good young player. Definitely attractive to other teams... particularly those who are building for the future.
I would love to see the Spurs deal Hill, Thomas, and a draft pick for Camby.
Can you imagine an interior defense of Duncan/Camby? Damn that would be something.
I don't think you can deal Hill right now, he has just too much potential.
Camby could be nice but he is expensive and old.
I don't see us getting past the Lakers with the bigs we got. A trade is necessary IMO, for a legitimate chance to grab a ring.
I hate to give up youth, it's a shame. But it's a matter of picking your heartbreak, I reckon. Oberto and Thomas mean post season trauma - we gotta do something.
we just got 2 new shiny pieces with borderline all star quality and you're already proposing to trade them? gaddammit!
Who says it needs to be a straight 1 for 1 deal. You send out a package deal that includes Manu for a quality big man.
Exactly. But you don't trade Mason or Hill. Those guys won't get you the impact player that manu would get back.
Hill looks like he will be a more than capable player that will be able to be a very good starting sg and also be able to play some pg. Mason also looks like he can play big minutes at the 2 spot so Manu is the best option for a trade to land a quality big. Manu in a month will have increased value so that would be the time to move him.
The spurs will not win a championship with the front court as it is now. They have redundency in the back court with 4 very capable quality starters and big deficiencies in the front court. Manu has a 2 or 3 year window of playing at a top level and he would bring back a higher quality big then either mason or Hill so its most logical that he would be the one to trade.
You have to let go of your sentiments for certain players and see whats best overall for the team to win now and in the near future and getting a top big is paramount to being able to compete in the playoffs with the Lakers, since thats the team to beat.
so rascal you would trade ime and manu for ?
I couldn't help get flabbergasted at some posters here. Spurs perform well and you want to trade them right away because you foresee the team still lacking against other team.
Moron! We've been lacking against so many teams even during our championship runs yet we made do with what we have. So many people here want to play coach, GM, and ultimate fan at the same time.
Since TP has been in the league, we have been dying for a real option at the backup point guard spot. (Speedy's handful good games as a Spur don't count). Now, the Spurs have one, and people want him on the trading block.
It's never going to be an equal balance of greatness at all five spots. If the Spurs can roll this deep at the point/wings, plus have Duncan, they can be lacking in other positions.
I guess whenever we just don't win a championship many just feels like they could do a much better job running the Spurs.Since TP has been in the league, we have been dying for a real option at the backup point guard spot. (Speedy's handful good games as a Spur don't count). Now, the Spurs have one, and people want him on the trading block.
It's never going to be an equal balance of greatness at all five spots. If the Spurs can roll this deep at the point/wings, plus have Duncan, they can be lacking in other positions.
Yes I agree, teams have strengths teams have weaknesses, I know ESPN might give the impression the Lakers are perfect and unstoppable at every position, but a team with Derek Fisher and Halfpipe Radmanovic in their starting lineup obviously has weaknesses. The one deal I think the Spurs should make (indifferent point of view) is Vaughn, Bonner, Mahinmi Bowen and Udoka 4 Brad Miller if the Kings agree to buy Bowen out and Bowen knows this is coming and he will want to resign with SA. Problem is, this isn't NBA 2K9, so we have no idea whether Sac will want to do that or not.Since TP has been in the league, we have been dying for a real option at the backup point guard spot. (Speedy's handful good games as a Spur don't count). Now, the Spurs have one, and people want him on the trading block.
It's never going to be an equal balance of greatness at all five spots. If the Spurs can roll this deep at the point/wings, plus have Duncan, they can be lacking in other positions.
Same thing for Marcus Camby, but I like Miller more idk why. Kaman would be a horrible fit next to Duncan.
lol, all those fans who were screaming about signing that unknown Roger Mason Jr. instead of Posey for double the years and 4x the money or drafting that undersized scrub George Hill over Mario Chalmers sure were right.
Radmanovic to me is really a poor mans version of Hedo with the choking abilities. One of the things that was frustrating about the WCF last year was this playing out of his ass. I knew it was a fluke performance and that he would dissapear against boston which proved correct. Spurs were very unfortunate to catch this guy when he was on hot streak. With Dfish I get the impression he's going to break down sooner or later ala Horry but I can't predict when. Its only a matter time before he becomes washed up like Horry he's reaching that age.
Yes, after Manu looks more explosive than he has since 2005 tonight, trade his ass.....seriously though, did you just trade Manu for a big in your fantasy league or something?
The reason the Spurs SYSTEM worked in past years, with an middling to sometimes deficient Center?
Bruce Bowen and Duncan together made this team defensively.
We have to start to acknowledge that Bruce is slipping. The team needs to make up for that by improving the Center position. Kori, your comment about the "wings" being interchangeable only applies on offense; more importantly, this team needs EITHER a big sf, or a decent center to make the defense work.
And I love how some fans are making out like the Front Office is brilliant b/c of Mason and Ghill; better lucky than smart sometimes. This was one of those times; they did not realistically foresee this kind of development from our new acquisitions. But rather than dredge up the follies they did make, I will be thankful for what they gave us.
Don't get me wrong: I AM ECSTATIC that Ghill and Mason are playing well, and I would like to keep the team together for sentimental reasons.
I am just saying...TimvP broke down the minutes with more than 30 minutes for each of the 4, but can those 3 guard units defend? As in, Spurs Basketball defend?
Answer this, anyone: What team, playing a 3 guard unit (I am talking playing 3 guys under 6'7, with regularity, for a season, has EVER won a championship? Maybe I am historically lacking, but I can't think of one after Wilt dominated the league.
I am not hitting the panic button until I see how we do in the playoffs. Maybe Udoka straightens out, Kthom and Oberto rebound, and Bowen finds the fountain of youth.
Our guards have been rebounding especially well, so maybe that makes up for it. But so far, we are averaging 42 rebounds a game, and the lakers, (for instance) average almost 10 more.
Keep an eye on the redundant assets the team has (through luck, essentially) gotten this time, and be smart in how we use them.
we can EXPLOIT other teams with our backcourt..
I don't want to see Mason or Hill traded, they're a huge asset to this team..they give us the best backcourt in the NBA with Manu, Tony and Finley..that's a major advantage we're going to have against other teams..
I would love to see some type of move to bring in a big that can rebound and block shots, but not at the price of giving up our backcourt depth..a lot of you are overrating the rest of the teams in the West..
The Spurs won with combinations of Nazr/Rasho/Oberto at center and no big SF.more importantly, this team needs EITHER a big sf, or a decent center to make the defense work.
Oberto/Thomas/Mahinmi are probably the same thing.
2005 Spurs, 2007 Spurs
... if you call Bowen/Manu/Tony a 3-guard unit. Bowen is about 6'6.
no way do you trade hill or mason. they haven't even been in the system a year and get it. imagine how much better they will be next year AND they give us a much needed infusion of youth.
Kori, now you are not really being fair. Bruce is listed as 6-7, manu at 6-6, and everyone says Bruce is taller than manu...
Bruce might be an eyelash or two taller than Manu, sure.
I'm just saying that Bruce isn't a tall SF. Tall small forwards are 6'8 and up. The Spurs haven't made it a priority to get one in years. So they must not value height at that spot.
Another reason to keep Hill is that even though Parker is young, he has a ton of NBA mileage on him already. Look at players like Tracy McGrady and Shawn Kemp to see what happens if you burnout a player who's been in the NBA since they were a teenager. If Hill continues to progress, he could allow TP to only average ~30 MPG and that would help extend TP's career and allow him to rest up for the playoffs.
Hill has also shown an ability to play off the ball. A lot of times when he's in with Mason (or Manu in the last two games), he plays away from the ball. It'll be damn interesting to what TP and Hill can do together.
Your point is fair, except that my point was that the current system worked BECAUSE bruce was special.
When Bruce and made up for not being tall with being a top defender, we did not need a good center. Bruce is starting to show his age, and can't last forever, and there is not going to be another Bruce Bowen defender that I see coming up.
Ghill looks like a great defender, but he is 5 inches too short.
I think for the Spurs defense to work, we have to have a plan b and C. Either a bigger SF or a better C.
Otherwise, we are giving up on D to maximize the talent we have on offense at the wings.
TP and Hill on he court at the same time will put all sorts of pressure on defenses because they both can drive and finish over the bigs, and hit the j. i can't wait to see that, to be honest.
That's bound to happen. The Spurs will not be as good as they were defensively with Bowen and Duncan in their primes. Those are two of the best all-time defenders.
So that's what's going to happen. The Spurs will be a little worse defensively (and hopefully a little better offensively).
But the team defense will still be good, they aren't turning into the D'Antoni Suns. Bowen, who I don't think is washed up, can lose a step and still be better than most of the league. Manu is a good defender, Tony can be a good defender when he gets aggressive, Hill can use his length (not height, but length), Mason can be a good defender, and then there's a question mark in Mahnimi.
You don't need to balance out the team and lose your depth at the wings and the point, just to get some one who might be a notch up defensively at C.
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