Barkley says Bynum better than Oden

[Purple & Gold]

If Bynum had an offensive game that could propel him to be an second option, then he would. You are highly mistaken if you think Bynum is going to make the allstar. Shaq is playing much, much better then Bynum.

No one wants to see Bynum succeed more than I do, but Im still waiting to see him thrive in that equal opportunity offense that we have, especially after all the he and his agent talked before he got that contract.

It's not equal opportunity For you to think that is laughable. You're just butthurt that his agent asked for a ton of money. Newsflash that's what agents do. Get over it.

[Allanon]

If Bynum had an offensive game that could propel him to be an second option, then he would. You are highly mistaken if you think Bynum is going to make the allstar. Shaq is playing much, much better then Bynum.

No one wants to see Bynum succeed more than I do, but Im still waiting to see him thrive in that equal opportunity offense that we have, especially after all the he and his agent talked before he got that contract.

Yeah, it's between Shaq and Bynum. Shaq is still the best Center and unstoppable in spurts. The only downside is age, he's a beast for about 15 minutes a game.

I don't think the Lakers are equal opportunity...it's very much centered around Kobe, Pau. Lamar on the 2nd unit and Fish just likes to shoot. Bynum's a 4th/5th option.

He and his agent DID talk alot of . But I think Phil made up his mind earlier that Bynum needs to work on Defense rather than Offense. Remember when Bynum said he wanted to average 20 points and then Phil shot him down right away. I think Phillip has gone out of his way to emphasize defense with him.

I think it's too easy for Bynum to score, and I too don't want to see him get too much offensive success right now. I'd like to see him earn it through a Defense first at ude and really become a stopper. The O game will come, I have no doubt he could score 20+ if he got 15 shots a game.

[MrChug]

Well lets see Bynum hardly played high school basketball. Did not really play as a rookie, and saw limited time as a second year player, before having a good half year in his 3rd season. Oden played throughout his high school career, played major minutes as a freshman in college, yet didn't play last year. But yet you try to paint it as if Bynum has 4 years more basketball experience then Oden when that's not the case at all. It's much closer than that.

A bit disingenuous or just ignorant of the facts? You tell me.

If that's your argument, you're diggin yourself deeper than I thought. You couldn't even answer the original question. It was hypothetical, but if you can really say that roles switched that Bynum would be better than Oden in the same situation...damn you're dumn.

[lil_penny]

from espn.....

This slimmer version of Oden is starting to make an impact already. He's third among all rookies in PER, and is the best defensive rebounder and second-best offensive rebounder of the class.

He is also craftier on offense than he gets credit for, using patience and some slight shoulder feints to create better angles for finishing. And he is a long way from figuring it out, which is scary to consider.
Remember how everyone was so impressed with how Al Horford started the season last year? Horford's 8.7 points per game and 7.4 rebounds per game last November tagged him as the big man to watch in the coming years. Oden is at 8.5 ppg and 7.1 rpg, but is playing 12 minutes per game fewer than Horford did. Add in Oden's 1.67 blocks per game (almost double what Al did last year: 0.94), and then consider he's 18 months younger than Big Al, and it's more than possible that Oden will grow to be as special a player as the hype suggested

[Spur-Addict]

@ you

I know kid, the truth is hard to accept, but that's what he is right now. Haywood on steroids with a great player and team.

PPG 11.5
RPG 8.9
APG 2.0 <<<<<Bynum
SPG 0.7
BPG 2.4
FG% 0.527
FT% 0.708
3P% 0.000
MPG 28.7

PPG 10.6
RPG 7.2
ASP .9
SPG .4 <<<<<<Haywood
BPG 1.7
FG% 52.8
FT% 73.5
3P% 0.00
MPG 27.9

They have roughly the same role. Those are Haywood's last year averages, compared to Bynum's current averages. I'd say Bynum has a much better team all around which makes things easier. Bynum is better I agree, that's why Bynum is Haywood on roids. He's bigger, a bit more talented, but right now pretty much the same.

[ambchang]

Laker fans are amazing.
First it was Kobe COULD be as good as Jordan.
Now Bynum COULD be as good as Robinson.
All this based on players' age, and not their actual accomplishments in the years in the league.

[Purple & Gold]

Jordan was the one that coined the triangle offense an equal opportunity offense. Bynum getting a huge contract hurts me none, but it will hurt the Lakers salary cap if he doenst pan out.

How old are you...10? And why the do you keep laughing after your own stupid comments. Lakers fans like you are pathetic.

First, it was Odom would be to Kobe what Pippen was to Jordan.
Second, Luke would be a good player... FAIL!!!
Third, Farmar would be as good as Parker.... FAIL!!!
Now Bynum is an allstar!!! Wow!!! The league must really be suffering to allow a guy like Bynum to make the allstar with his numbers and level of play.

Assuming Bynum continues to get better, he could be an allstar, but its pathetic to even go there at this point. The OP made a great comparison... Bynum and Haywood are very comparable.

And this post was directed towards Purple and Gold.

First off don't worry about me, how I post, or how old you think I am. I could care less about you and yours so lets keep it mutual. Your a sorry ass Laker fan, I've seen your no patience type before. And no this is not the same triangle as Jordan's. Anybody with half an eye can see that.

We talking about Bynum here and nobody else so why don't we keep it too that. But if you want my opinion on Odom (I'll be happy when his contract is up), Luke (always thought he was ok), Farmar (good but not Parker). I said Bynum will be a future All-Star, just not this year. He's a top defensive player right now though. Very different. So we actually kinda agree other then the comparison to Haywood. Not even close, Bynum right now is a lot younger than Haywood and will continue to improve. Even now has more defensive impact. But since you love to live in the now and can't look past Christmas day you will be disappointed.

As for your cap concerns big men get paid that much, this is the NBA. IF you haven't noticed 7 footers don't grow on trees. They get paid that much cause they command that much money.

And what's your fascination with if he dunks like a man or not. Sounds like your phobic tendencies are rising again. Keep your pathetic "have to dunk like a man to impress me" too yourself. 2 points is 2 points whether it looks nice or not. Sorry ass wannabe Laker fan more interested in style over substance. Take your bandwagon Kobe ballwashing ass outta here. You give Laker fans a bad name.

[Purple & Gold]

If that's your argument, you're diggin yourself deeper than I thought. You couldn't even answer the original question. It was hypothetical, but if you can really say that roles switched that Bynum would be better than Oden in the same situation...damn you're dumn.

So what's the original question MrsChug. I already called you out for trying to insinuate Bynum should be four years ahead of Oden when he's actually only 3 months older. I'm interested in your response. Go ahead and spin away

[Spur-Addict]

So we actually kinda agree other then the comparison to Haywood. Not even close, Bynum right now is a lot younger than Haywood and will continue to improve. Even now has more defensive impact. But since you love to live in the now and can't look past Christmas day you will be disappointed.

If we are comparing skill and ability now, then age is not a factor in present evaluations. He is a bit better defensively, slighty overall, hence the steroids reference.

[picnroll]

Bynum is young and still developing. He is a top center in this League with defensive presence alone.

And @ you caring if his dunks look girlish or not. Which I have no idea WTF you're talking about

Bynum lacks one thing that all the great centers, Russell, Wilt, Hakeem, DRob, Shaq had, great, great athletciem. Possible exception Kareem. Bynum is a middling athlete. Athletically Oden has the potential to be among the greats. Whether he pans out remains to be seen. Bynum? Little chance.

[Purple & Gold]

I know kid, the truth is hard to accept, but that's what he is right now. Haywood on steroids with a great player and team.

PPG 11.5
RPG 8.9
APG 2.0 <<<<<Bynum
SPG 0.7
BPG 2.4
FG% 0.527
FT% 0.708
3P% 0.000
MPG 28.7

PPG 10.6
RPG 7.2
ASP .9
SPG .4 <<<<<<Haywood
BPG 1.7
FG% 52.8
FT% 73.5
3P% 0.00
MPG 27.9

They have roughly the same role. Those are Haywood's last year averages, compared to Bynum's current averages. I'd say Bynum has a much better team all around which makes things easier. Bynum is better I agree, that's why Bynum is Haywood on roids. He's bigger, a bit more talented, but right now pretty much the same.

If you only wanna go by offense only then yes Bynum at this point this year (13 games) is similar to Haywood last year although Bynum is a much better passer. But when you add defense to it Bynum is much better. He alters a ton of shots, much more than Haywood does. Is a much better rebounder, the box score doesn't show the dominance there because Pau and Odom are more than capable of gobbling up their share as well. Only thing Haywood is better at is holding position, but even then I don't think he's that much better. Add to the fact that he just turned 21 while Haywood won't get any better then it's a bad comparison. But I see your infatuated with the now also. Doesn't pertain to 21 year olds as it does with others.

[Purple & Gold]

If we are comparing skill and ability now, then age is not a factor in present evaluations. He is a bit better defensively, slighty overall, hence the steroids reference.

Then we are talking about two different things. Whenever talking about players of that young an age potential will always be a factor. Disingenuous to not count it. I will always talk about upside when comparing a young player to a seasoned vet. When talking about two youngsters then it's not as much a factor.

[Purple & Gold]

Bynum lacks one thing that all the great centers, Russell, Wilt, Hakeem, DRob, Shaq had, great, great athletciem. Possible exception Kareem. Bynum is a middling athlete. Athletically Oden has the potential to be among the greats. Whether he pans out remains to be seen. Bynum? Little chance.

Bynum is very athletic, but no not as much at this point of his career as the great ones. And why do spurs fans continue to put Robinson up there with the Russells, Wilts, of the NBA. He was a great player and a HOF, but he was not a Russell or Wilt by any stretch of the imagination.

And just to let you know sports, including basketball, is dependent on more than just being athletic.

[Spur-Addict]

If you only wanna go by offense only then yes Bynum at this point this year (13 games) is similar to Haywood last year although Bynum is a much better passer. But when you add defense to it Bynum is much better. He alters a ton of shots, much more than Haywood does. Is a much better rebounder, the box score doesn't show the dominance there because Pau and Odom are more than capable of gobbling up their share as well. Only thing Haywood is better at is holding position, but even then I don't think he's that much better. Add to the fact that he just turned 21 while Haywood won't get any better then it's a bad comparison. But I see your infatuated with the now also. Doesn't pertain to 21 year olds as it does with others.

The reason I talk of the now is because nobody knows where the man will plateau at, this future stuff may not pan out the way people think.

Also, Bynum doesn't play many minutes with Pau and Lamar on the court at the same time.

Although other players get rebounds, they also box out affording easier rebounding attempts. It isn't like Rodman is out there getting everything.

As far as passing goes, it's easy to look like a great passer when you play with potent offensive weapons, some of the best at their positions. I wouldn't say he's that much better of a passer, to say there is a dramatic gap is a stretch.

Defensively he is better overall.

[Spur-Addict]

I have news for you rookie. Most great players have already established themselves as a great player, or on the verge of being great four years into the league. Now you can start claiming Bynum is going to be a late bloomer, just like you probably did with Kwame.

The truth of the matter is Bynum is barely better than Haywood, and if he keeps playing like a pussy in the middle, hes going to be remembered for plays like this.

Damn, he practically punched that .

[Purple & Gold]

Panties in a twist, huh? Calm down kid, everyone dont wear pruple and gold blinders like you do. Me, a "Kobe ballswahser?" Im the one that coined that phrase for all you "Kobe is better than Jordan" nutcases.

I have news for you rookie. Most great players have already established themselves as a great player, or on the verge of being great four years into the league. Now you can start claiming Bynum is going to be a late bloomer, just like you probably did with Kwame.

The truth of the matter is Bynum is barely better than Haywood, and if he keeps playing like a pussy in the middle, hes going to be remembered for plays like this.

@ you assuming stupid . Get upset I call your phobic ass a Kobe ballwasher?? That's like you telling me I think Odom is worth more than $8 M a year. Or you think I thought those players you mentioned before would be great. Fact is you don't know what I think and all you can do is assume. And no not all great players establish themselves as great by the fourth year. Every player is different and has their own cir stances. I would call Nash great as much as I hate him, but it did take awhile for him to bloom. So keep your assumptions to yourself and your fascination with dunking like a man to yourself son.

[Purple & Gold]

The reason I talk of the now is because nobody knows where the man will plateau at, this future stuff may not pan out the way people think.

Also, Bynum doesn't play many minutes with Pau and Lamar on the court at the same time.

Although other players get rebounds, they also box out affording easier rebounding attempts. It isn't like Rodman is out there getting everything.

As far as passing goes, it's easy to look like a great passer when you play with potent offensive weapons, some of the best at their positions. I wouldn't say he's that much better of a passer, to say there is a dramatic gap is a stretch.

Defensively he is better overall.

Nope nobody knows how they will pan out which is why you can have a discussion. He always plays with either Pau or Lamar always. And they are both excellent rebounders. And if you watched the Lakers more it's Bynum that does most of the boxing up so either Pau or Lamar can gobble the rebounds up, which is exactly why I brought it up. Watch the Lakers play more, Bynum is a very good passer. It's not really a discussion, he is a much better passer. By the playoffs I think his game will be in full swing. I'll come back to this then. That is if he can stay healthy.

[Spur-Addict]

Nope nobody knows how they will pan out which is why you can have a discussion. He always plays with either Pau or Lamar always. And they are both excellent rebounders. And if you watched the Lakers more it's Bynum that does most of the boxing up so either Pau or Lamar can gobble the rebounds up, which is exactly why I brought it up. Watch the Lakers play more, Bynum is a very good passer. It's not really a discussion, he is a much better passer. By the playoffs I think his game will be in full swing. I'll come back to this then. That is if he can stay healthy.

So Pau and Lamar don't box out mostly? No wonder they are so soft, geeezzzzz. Or is it because they are soft which causes them not to box out all the time? Either way it's funny.

[picnroll]

Bynum is very athletic, but no not as much at this point of his career as the great ones. And why do spurs fans continue to put Robinson up there with the Russells, Wilts, of the NBA. He was a great player and a HOF, but he was not a Russell or Wilt by any stretch of the imagination.

And just to let you know sports, including basketball, is dependent on more than just being athletic.

I didn't rank them. I didn't say Robinson was better than Wilt or Russell. In my opinion though he is in that group of greatest all-time centers I listed. And imo Bynum can be a very good center but I highly doubt at the end of his career he'll crack that group. I think at very best he'll be in the next tier down of 5 or 6 centers that've played. If you don't like that opinion, gee, too bad.

[Spur-Addict]

Nope nobody knows how they will pan out which is why you can have a discussion. He always plays with either Pau or Lamar always. And they are both excellent rebounders. And if you watched the Lakers more it's Bynum that does most of the boxing up so either Pau or Lamar can gobble the rebounds up, which is exactly why I brought it up. Watch the Lakers play more, Bynum is a very good passer. It's not really a discussion, he is a much better passer. By the playoffs I think his game will be in full swing. I'll come back to this then. That is if he can stay healthy.

Maybe i'm wrong altogether, maybe it's Bynum who boxes out two men and his teammates get the boards.

Even Rick Fox called this team soft the other night, and said they wont be winning if they keep up this Gay ass play. You cant debate with guys like this clown, because as soon as you prove him wrong on one stupid point he tries to make, he jumps to another stupid point.

Yeah, but it's fun sometimes. I know I can't convert people, if I tried it would be gradual anyways. There's nothing I could do with this one, he's lost in the flames.

[A Bomb]

Well you guys are right about one thing, Bynum's game is totally different from DRob. Athletically DRob is in a world of his own, only other center that comes close to him is Olajuwon. Just too bad he never had "it", whether that be the killer instinct, or aggression.


Bynum's game resembles Duncan's but with more length, explosiveness and strength. All he needs to do is stay healthy, and grow into his body.

[A Bomb]

[quote=lakaluva;2928705]Panties in a twist, huh? Calm down kid, everyone dont wear pruple and gold blinders like you do. Me, a "Kobe ballswahser?" Im the one that coined that phrase for all you "Kobe is better than Jordan" nutcases.

I have news for you rookie. Most great players have already established themselves as a great player, or on the verge of being great four years into the league. Now you can start claiming Bynum is going to be a late bloomer, just like you probably did with Kwame.

The truth of the matter is Bynum is barely better than Haywood, and if he keeps playing like a pussy in the middle, hes going to be remembered for plays like this.





Um, dude how many times have u watched the healthy Bynum play last year? "barely better than Haywood" ??? ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!
Go check how many high school games Bynum has played, he's still a pup in terms of basketball experience. For someone with such little experience to do what he is doing right now is what makes him so special. He's got all the tools to become one of the greats and he seems to have the right at ude and he is a quick learner.


If you actually watch the Laker's games you'd know that he's not getting the oppurtunity to show his stuff, because the Laker's have two of the biggest chuckers in the backcourt. Phil was also experimenting with Bynum on the highpost with Gasol in the blocks also, and his first time coming off an injury so he needs time to trust his knees again.

[Bob Lanier]

Even Rick Fox called this team soft the other night, and said they wont be winning if they keep up this Gay ass play.

Really?

[mystargtr34]

Purple and Gold has over 2000 posts, have they all been this childish and full of complete and utter ?

[z0sa]

Most Lakerfans acting like Bynum has zero experience and has done all this without the help of his coaches, teammates, and oh yeah...


HES BEEN WORKING WITH KAREEM ABDUL JABBAR ONE ON ONE FOR 4 YEARS.

I'd have expected a legit 20/10 center every night by now, 21 or not. That's just a big fat copout.