At how good the Spurs are at 60%. When this team reaches full strength they will be scary. I would also like to add that I was wrong and George Hill was an incredible pick. He could be a starter for most teams in the league.
I'll admit I was totally wrong about George Hill, I thought he would be a total bust. Well not a total bust, I knew he'd be a decent defender but he's been a great defender. And the rebounds are quite a plus.
I thought he would suck on offense but he's been proving me wrong.
As for the Spurs in general, I'm not sold yet. If they're a few games above .500 after January, I'll jump on the Spurs Bandwagon. And if they're still there on March 1st, I'd say they're a lock for the WCF.
Are you kidding me? They are a couple games above .500 right now, and are only going to get better with the return of Parker, Mahinmi joining the club, Thomas getting healthier, and the team jelling even more. As a Lakers fan I'm sure you are REALLY hoping the Spurs cease to exist and turn into a lotto team. You've been posting this nonsense for a long time hoping that it turns out to be true. It's time to face reality. The Spurs are for real... They aren't going anywhere... and they are going to knock off the Lakers and do what the lake show failed to do last year, bring the le back to the western conference.
Put that in your sig, and it'll be the truest thing you posted all year.
The Spurs have played an easy schedule so far. I will admit that they have played better than I would have guessed, but I'm definitely not sold on them either. They don't have enough size to compete in the playoffs. The only team the Lakers need to worry about is the Blazers. I think they know that too. If we keep improving like I think we will throughout the season we will be a load come playoff timel.
Great Pick by the Spurs กกกกก
But i want a Great Big Man Pick
With Manu and Tony playing 35 minutes a game in the Playoffs, we only have 28 minutes for Mason and Hill, and if we play small, we have 86 minutes for Bowen, Udoka, Finley, Hill and Mason
Mason and Hill are greats players, but i see that we need bigs for the POs
If all you can do is defend decently, and you are a first round pick, i'd say you are complete bust.
Good thing that isn't the case! G. Hill Baybahhhhhh
I'm also surprised... i've thought that we will be under 50% when I knew that we'll be without Manu. And then we also lost TP....An when I watched some games on the start of the season I was like: ''WTF are they doing?''.... But now I'm really happy that Manu is back and the performance of Hill and Mason are superb... I knew that Mason will be a solid player, but I would never thougt that he'll be scoring 20 points in some games... And for George I can just say WAWAWIWA, he really surprised me with his game, and if he'll play like he's playing right now, I can say that we've got a perfect backup for TP... Fin is also playing pretty good, and is shooting the ball much better than on the beginning of the last year. Also thanx to Matt Bonner, who's playing pretty good so far. I'm just a little disappointet with Bruce, but if he keeps playing good D everything'll be Ok..
So watch out NBA, cause Spurs will look very scary when TP is back!!
You and Allanon are a great pair. The Blazers are too young and at least a year away from being as borderline contender. The Spurs Big rotation is not nearly as bad as some think. First we have the best big in the league, and some flexibility in Thomas (who is still rounding into form), Oberto (who will only get better now that Manu is back), Bonner (who is playing the best ball of his life), and if Mahinmi shows anything, we have more than enough to compete.
I'm a Laker fan and as such, I don't have the "belief" that Spur fans have in their team. But I can try to objectify it and not let my Laker bias get in the way of a fair assessment. I'm a bit of a homer when talking about the Lakers and their players but you'll have to give me a pass on that.
As Tlong pointed out, it's the strength of schedule. The Spurs schedule so far has been the 23rd hardest...ie 22 teams havef harder schedules than the Spurs. They've beaten 2 good teams (Houston/Utah) although the Utah one was without DWill and Boozer.
I said it in pre-season that the easy schedule would help them to survive the early season without Manu.
There will be a couple of hard games coming up in a few days then it gets easy again to end the year. The Spurs will have a good record but it would be mostly against easy teams. Therefore, I find it hard to guage their season success.
January is a "hard" schedule so if they can get through that, then I'm sold that they'll be good during the Playoffs.
February is killer, almost every team is a Playoff team and only 3 home games, if they can finish that with a nice record, I'd say they're a lock for the WCF.
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I've been surprised by Hill. Not that he can defend at an NBA level, because I assumed with his athleticism and length that he could potentially be an elite-type defender(he isn't yet, not by a long shot), but I'm really surprised that he's been able to finish plays at the rim. I had assumed he would be a big liability on offense, because he has no jump shot whatsoever, but at least so far... it hasn't been the case. I've also been pleasantly surprised by his nose for the ball. But man, does he ever need to work on that jump shot, that thing is UGLY.
I had my doubts until Timvp put up that schedule before the season started. After seeing that schedule I knew we would have a decent record. We have been playing some of the worst teams in the league. But a win is a win. And in the end, they dont look at who you beat, they look at how many you beat. And I to believe like Timvp. Its Ian or bust. Or we make a trade. When push comes to shove we dont have the bigs to compete with the teams that are gonna be there playing physical basketball. Fab and Kurt will get pushed around like puppies.
Saying this implies that you do not think they will reach this mark. Is this correct? I don't know a single respected NBA analyst who would make such a claim.
I question your objectivity...
Any team that is missing two of it's big three is going to struggle out of the gate, especially when they are incorporating two new rookies, a newly acquired fa, and have 4 bigs who have spent time dealing with personal issues and recovering from injuries. Who cares about the schedule at this point. They've won every game that they should have (with the exception of milwaukee) and even a couple that they weren't expected to.
Going forward and barring continued injuries, you are underestimating a team that has a history of dominance, a championship pedigree, 3 future hof'ers, a legendary coach, a refreshed athletic bench, and arguably the best backcourt in the nba. you are underestimating a team that has won 6 of it's last seven by controlling the game on the defensive end (they've had the third best D over this stretch I believe). This is a team that is nowhere near it's peak due to key players being out and new players still finding their niche in the chemistry. Sure, the schedule might get tougher, but every team faces tough stretches every season, and the Spurs have never lost more than 29 games since Duncan's been around.
Didn't the Spurs compete last year in the playoffs with the same size up front?
WTF happened in the first five games was that Pop and the coaching team were trying new defensive "gigs" to give some "wrinkles" to our D-set. Naturally the objective is to make our D less predictable. The experiments failed. We need to score 129 in double overtime against the lowly Twolves!
When TP is down, we return to our old Defensive sets. See what happened now! Same thing is true with Bowen. He was out as a starter because he can't master the new D-gigs but now that we return to the old, we see Bowen return to his old "anaconda"-self.
I am very happy with the return of teh old SPurs.
Joe, Allanon is one of the few knowledgable and impartial trolls at SpursTalk. What he said is true. Our schedule is a bit soft, although we are over-performing given the setbacks we are facing.
At present Manu is not 100% yet. TP is not back. Once we are 100%, we can compete with the Lakers, anytime.
That is true, I don't think they will reach the mark. I think with a health\y Manu and TP, they still don't have the pieces to get through those games well.
I think the surprising game was Houston but I think the rest they pretty much should have won. And now with Manu back they should continue winning. If they beat those upcoming 3 tough teams in a row (Houston, Detroit Denver), those are surprises, I don't expect them to win those.I question your objectivity...
Any team that is missing two of it's big three is going to struggle out of the gate, especially when they are incorporating two new rookies, a newly acquired fa, and have 4 bigs who have spent time dealing with personal issues and recovering from injuries. Who cares about the schedule at this point. They've won every game that they should have (with the exception of milwaukee) and even a couple that they weren't expected to.
I don't question Duncan or the guards. I seriously question the Center and to a lesser extent, the Small Forward position.Going forward and barring continued injuries, you are underestimating a team that has a history of dominance, a championship pedigree, 3 future hof'ers, a legendary coach, a refreshed athletic bench, and arguably the best backcourt in the nba. you are underestimating a team that has won 6 of it's last seven by controlling the game on the defensive end (they've had the third best D over this stretch I believe). This is a team that is nowhere near it's peak due to key players being out and new players still finding their niche in the chemistry. Sure, the schedule might get tougher, but every team faces tough stretches every season, and the Spurs have never lost more than 29 games since Duncan's been around.
I think those 2 positions will make the Spurs a decent team but not good enough to beat the elites.
But who knows, maybe I'm wrong and they storm through Jan/Feb.
Sure our schedule has been soft, but what's your point? I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm saying it's ridiculous to think the Spurs will still be hovering around .500 two months from now.
ok that's fine, that's your opinion and it's cool. I guess we'll see. I just don't think the center/sf spot are much of a problem if even a problem at all. We've won three championships with Bowen at sf, and less than stellar centers. Between Bowen, Udoka, and Finley splitting time at the three, the Spurs are fine. As far as the center position is concerned, Thomas is showing signs of life and Fab still contributes even if his contributions don't show up on a stat sheet. Also, IF Mahinmi arrives he could transform the bigs into quite the solid group as he has the potential to fill many of the gaps in the current rotation.
No team has All-Stars 1 through 5. If you apply thaty logic for the Spurs, what about the Lakers. You guys have Radmanovic starting, Bowen is equally as good a 3 point shooter and a far superior defender. You have pretty weak PG rotation also with an aging Fish who cant seem to hit 3's anymore and a sparplug in Farmar who still struggles to make the correct decisions on the floor on a consistent basis. And your starting Center has pretty sketchy injury history - now hes injured again. Add to that the Spurs bench might even be stronger than your own best bench in the league when everyone is healthy. What makes you think the Lakers will keep steam rolling everyone on their way to 75 wins when theyre schedule has been one of the easiest in the league.
who exactly are the elites if the spurs aren't on that list? i mean haven't the spurs been the team to beat the last decade? what the !?
how can anyone say the spurs aren't elite and aren't good enough to beat the "elite" teams out there? that's a in' moronic statement regardless of the fact that you root for a young team who got their asses fully handed to them in the finals, something the spurs never have had done to them, and here you are claiming the inevitable collapse of the spurs franchise. a franchise who features not just 1 face but 3 or possibly 4. to claim such bs is disrespectful because if i remember correctly kobe didn't win a god damn thing last yr except mvp or better yet finally-you-started-passing-the-ball-and-stopped-trying-to-be-a-1-man-show.
your lakers!
you're a fool. no further need to explain myself.
I'm a fool? Nice tats.
i am surpised how bad oden has looked
people saying he was david robinson
Oden and Bynum will fight to see whether they can be better than Robert Parish.
My pointis your attack on Allanon is unnecessary if only to show how snobbish you can be.
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