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No but for once they show some love for the spurs.
This is not surprising at all, Manu was already leading those stats last year during a long periode of time.
It just means that both Ginobili and Parker are ultra effective during the minutes they are on the court.
But those numbers are deceiptive because so far Manu has played 3 games averaging more or less 20 minutes per game, and Lebron James has played every game averaging more than 35 minutes per game.
Overall, you can't really compare Lebron and Manu or Tony and Paul just based on this stat.
No but for once they show some love for the spurs.
We already knew about the effectiveness the Big 3, but by any statistical measure-- PER, +/-, EFF per 48-- Hill has been a very successful player. If he was not the back up PG to an all-star, there would now be serious talk of him being a dark horse candidate for ROY.
I know we are in spurs message board but comparing Tony and Manu this year with the two best players in the game since the beginning of the season is silly.
I don't say we can't compare them in terms of what they have accomplished in their carreer or even on a pure talent level because I do think it is closer than many nba fans would think, I am just making the point that these stats are deceiving because they lead to think Tony and Manu have outplayed those superstars this year which is clearly not the case.
These ranking are misleading because some of the players haven't played half of the minutes of the others.
Well, to be fair, Tony and Manu are blessed to play alongside Tim Duncan... That´s a of a difference when you are comparing those two to Lebron/Paul. Tim in his absolut peak led a bunch of vets and young and inexperienced players to a le.
Of course they are all-star material, but not in the same page as those two, who are superstars and 1st options-type players.
Just my two cents.
ghill > manu + tp
I applaud your willingness to martyr yourself for both the Church of Manu and the Church of Tony.
Lifetime PER
LeBron James : 25.4
Chris Paul: 24.8
Manu Ginobili: 21.5
Tony Parker: 17.9
What is it exactly you are a Profesor of?
I'm just taking a guess here, but perhaps spelling?
Once again Hollinger's efforts are barely interesting and mostly BS. He bothers me more than any other analyst. The whole reason he spends so much time defending his statistical methods is that they are obviously flawed even at first glance.
1 - LeBron James, CLE - 32.53
2 - Chris Paul, NOR - 30.14
3 - Dwyane Wade, MIA - 29
4 - Dwight Howard, ORL - 25.9
5 - Kobe Bryant, LAL - 25.09
6 - Carlos Boozer, UTH - 24.81
7 - Brandon Roy, POR - 24.48
8 - Tim Duncan, SAS - 24.27
9 - Devin Harris, NJN - 24.24
10 - Tony Parker, SAS - 23.58
11 - Shaquille O'Neal, PHO - 23.49
12 - Dirk Nowitzki, DAL - 23.41
13 - Chris Bosh, TOR - 23.35
14 - Al Jefferson, MIN - 22.78
15 - Yao Ming, HOU - 22.73
16 - Danny Granger, IND - 22.49
17 - Amare Stoudemire, PHO - 22.25
18 - Pau Gasol, LAL - 22.2
19 - Vince Carter, NJN - 21.94
20 - Manu Ginobili, SAS - 21.2
Two players top ten....three players top twenty?
Parker's game isn't too PER-friendly so it's impressive that he's still in the top ten. Although I assume he'll start to slide down the list once Ginobili is ready to take on a bigger load. Speaking of Ginobili, it's impressive he's in the top 20 considering he's still working his way back.
the weird thing is that Manu on his first 3, 4 games was number 1 among Guards and international players and second overall... this shows that his funk is mentally and nothing else but that... if the three start falling in again he should start climbing and finish in his usual top 5 on PER
Is PER really meaningfull?
As meaningfull as a stat can be I suppose.
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