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Agreed. Sportsmanship is a dying art. Evidence of that is all over this board.
One thing this ed up ranking proves is that the BCS doesn't like "sportsmanship".
Mack Brown called off the dogs in the third quarter and could have easily hung an additional 20+ on the hapless ass kicked Aggies...
Stoops, on the other hand kept racking up the score right to the final bell.
we certainly saw which philosophy the BCS computers preferred.
Agreed. Sportsmanship is a dying art. Evidence of that is all over this board.
What great sportsmanship it was for mack to call into espn during the ou osu game Bob Stoops would have never done that.
Also its a 3 way tie you cant hold the texas loss agains OU unless you old the teck loss against ut there is no fair way to determain the south champ.
I am a Sooners fan but i understaind why ut and teck fans are pissed I would be if OU had not got in.
why is stoops above doing anything?
The computers aren't supposed to build margin of victory into their equations. Whether they do or don't, I can't say, but I know that the BCS rules have been modified to provide that margin of victory should not be a factor in ranking teams.
Obviously, margin of victory makes a difference to human voters, though. But Texas is ahead of OU in the Harris Poll and only 1 voting point behind OU in the USA Today poll (from what I can tell). I'm not sure that those placements would have changed all that much, even if UT had beaten A&M 100-9.
Texas rode the computers as long as they could. If anything screwed Texas, it was having to finish with a mediocre Aggie team when Oklahoma went to Stillwater to play a top 12 squad.
HAS HE EVER DONE ANYTHING LIKE THAT BEFORE
he's cried like a baby about the BCS before, when it happened to not benefit him.
I DONT THAINK HE HAS EVER CRIED THATS A MACK TRICK, AND I KNOW HE AS NEVER CALLED IN TO GIVE HIS CASE DURING A GAME THAT ENVOLVED UT OR ANY ONE ELES FOR THAT MATTER.
ALSO THE YEAR TEXAS PLAYED MICH. IN THE ROSE BOWL THE ONLY RESON THEY GOT THERE WAS MACKS CRYING, THIS TIME IT DIDENT WORK FOR HIM.
Last five bowl games ...
Oklahoma: 1-4
Texas: 4-1
The two teams that held OU to 35pts were TCU and Texas - both of which have a good defense. Alabama and Florida have GREAT defenses (and Florida has arguably a better offense, too), so it wouldn't surprise me if the Sooners are embarrassed yet again, while Texas wins their bowl game.
wow you just told me with that, i could put up links to when ou beat texas 5 years in row and mack cried after everyone, but lets talk about now the SOONERS are going to beat mu and then play for a national champship while texas will be playing in a game no one cares about and mack will still be crying
haha this dude is arguing with himself.
It probably would have been helpful to Texas to have Missouri beat Kansas this weekend (since UT beat both, but OU only beat KU); it also would have helped for Arkansas to have been better. And it didn't help that Cincinnati exceeded everyone's expectations and finished 13th in the BCS, with a strong computer average to boot. But I don't think any of that changed because UT called off the dogs against A&M or because Missouri rallied to make the game in Austin look closer than it was.
UT's marginal difference in the computers is probably as much about schedules and perceived strength of those schedules as it is about anything else. Truly, the ultimate outcome in this system seems to be a matter of infinitessimal differences that neither OU nor UT could control. If Missouri stays higher in the computers by beating KU and if Cincinnati hadn't ended up being Big East champ, UT probably noses OU out in the computers as well.
As an aside, I don't agree with the Big XII's three-team tiebreaking procedure, but I can understand its point. Suppose, for an example, that there was no championship game and that a 3-team tie in the South involved teams ranked #2, #3, and #7 (like we have). In a world with no championship game, the BCS rules would say that the team ranked #2 would advance to the BCS championship game, period. No tiebreakers or anything else. If that's the way the system works, it makes some sense to decide a tiebreaker within the division on that basis. (Though if the Big XII were truly acting out of self-interest, one could argue that the best result in this scenario would be to send the team ranked #3 to the championship game, protecting the team ranked #2 from missing out on a le game opportunity while giving the team ranked #3 the chance to get itself into the le game as well.). I don't know that it's a particularly good result, but it at least ensures (in the main) that the Big XII team that would normally go to the BCS championship game will have the opportunity to win the conference as well.
I didn't consider the Mizzou angle. They dropped seven spots in the overall BCS rankings, behind Cincinnati. Cincy is in the 13th spot and Mizzou is 20th now after Mizzou was 13th last week. That could certainly make up .040 points.
In Week 6 of the BCS Rankings, the Cincinnati/Missouri standings were like this:
Cincinnati -- .430 computer percentage (16th in computer average)
Missouri -- .520 computer percentage (13th in computer average)
After Mizzou's loss to KU and Cincinnati's clinching of the Big East, here are the Week 7 standings:
Cincinnati -- .440 computer percentage (15th in computer average)
Missouri -- .220 computer percentage (20th in computer average)
One would have to think that the loss to KU dropped Missouri by a fairly significant amount (though it would have also elevated KU to an extent as well) and cost UT some amount in its strength of schedule while OU's SOS remained relatively constant (and, in fact, probably improved with KU's win).
That has happened lots of times......the conference championship games area joke.
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Its happened just twice...oddly enough in the Big 12. Nebraska in 01 (Colorado beat UT in the le game) and OU in 03. (K-State beat OU)
Bear in mind though, in the current format there have been 10 BCS le games. At the time of its inception, only the Big 12 and SEC had le games. The ACC has one now but the Big East, Big 10, and Pac-10 still don't have one.
IMO, everyone should have one or no one should have one.
Last edited by samikeyp; 12-01-2008 at 01:48 PM.
Who doesn't have one? The effing Pac 10 and the Big 10/11 along with the Big East. The Big East is understandable since they have sixteen teams enrolled but only eight play football in conference - the other seven either play I-AA ball or don't have a program. I'll leave my Notre Dame ing out of this one. They
I don't see how the Pac-10 can divide itself into divisions without destroying a rivalry. It's set up too well. Cal/Stanford, UW/WSU, SC/UCLA, Zona/ASU, Oregon/Oregon State. I guess you can grab BYU and Utah and split them up but the schools are less than an hour away from each other.
As far as the Big 10 is concerned, they have to add or subtract a school sooner or later to make any playoff possible. And we all know what those guys think about changing anything up.
This is another cry for the playoff system.
The problem with the championship games are that they are - more often than not - a "just don't stub your toe" game for one of the teams involved.
If the game were a for a playoff spot, it would have more meaning. But as it is, it's just another speed bump for a potential MNC.
i do think ou is the better team right now, but t.u. did beat them. which should hold more weight right now?
Couldn't agree more. It's funny, and I meant my previous post partly in jest. Gotta look at this glass half full if you're a UT fan, and now that it's happened to us, how can we not hope to get voted number 1 after we assrape tOSU.
although, when it happened to USC it was even worse. SC had been #1 almost the entire second half of the year in the AP poll...if i recall correctly.
if ou beats bama/florida and t.u. stomps utah/ohio state...then i think t.u. might have a claim there. but i have a feeling florida is going to murder ou. we shall see...lots of different scenarios.
This is blowing me. What have they shown that makes people believe they are playing better than Texas right now? They finally a team that was willing to punch them back in the mouth last Saturday Night but OSU just does not have the athletes nor experience (nor coaching) to beat them. They won games the same way before the Texas game when everybody thought that OU was clearly better than Texas the first time.
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