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    that. Let the ultra-libs strangle the country to death. Texas should gtfo and find its balls again.

    I would love to watch from a distance as they govern the way they want to without as many sheeple being forced to foot the bill.

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    Don't forget about the dude with the magic water. Russian "science" has produced a good share of total quacks, and doesn't seem to be doing much better these days than it did in the Soviet era.
    I wondering if it's the same 'magic water' that I've done some minor research on.

    First of all, there are two stable isotopes of hydrogen and three stable isotopes of oxygen. That makes for 9 different water molecules by isotope mix. It goes deeper than that...

    Atoms have orbit pairs. Each orbit has two electrons, but at different quantum states. Without going into detail, there are now 30 different water molecules in nature, but 27 different quantum energy levels. If I remembered a good online source, I would link it. There is some rather interesting scientific facts behind the notion. The different bonding orbits are explained in MO Theory. The wiki link is surprisingly lacking on the subject. Maybe I should update it with the references I have. Here is a better link, but not much better. Now I'm curious about the subject again.

    The bottom line is that we know that isotopes have some biological effects, but little research is done in the area. Heavy water for example is harmless until you exceed a certain body percentage of it. It becomes toxic to the body. Some people think that if you could remove all the deuterium from water and have specific orbital energies between the hydrogen and oxygen, that it is a far healthier water. Considering that heavy water is proven harmful, it is reasonable to assume removing all of it can be benificial. There are also three different orbital energies in water. The devices sold to make this water, at best, simply increase the quan y of the higher energy water by rearranging the bonding of the atoms. That doesn't necessarily make it better alone. It cannot make it in any decent quan y of the ‘enriched’ water. It still has the undesireable water in it that is very hard to remove without serious money. There might be a use or theory for a specific isotopes of oxygen in the H2O formulation, but I haven't read anywhere on that one. It seems that removing all deuterium atoms and maximizing MO energies are the key.

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    I wondering if it's the same 'magic water' that I've done some minor research on.

    First of all, there are two stable isotopes of hydrogen and three stable isotopes of oxygen. That makes for 9 different water molecules by isotope mix. It goes deeper than that...

    Atoms have orbit pairs. Each orbit has two electrons, but at different quantum states. Without going into detail, there are now 30 different water molecules in nature, but 27 different quantum energy levels. If I remembered a good online source, I would link it. There is some rather interesting scientific facts behind the notion. The different bonding orbits are explained in MO Theory. The wiki link is surprisingly lacking on the subject. Maybe I should update it with the references I have. Here is a better link, but not much better. Now I'm curious about the subject again.

    The bottom line is that we know that isotopes have some biological effects, but little research is done in the area. Heavy water for example is harmless until you exceed a certain body percentage of it. It becomes toxic to the body. Some people think that if you could remove all the deuterium from water and have specific orbital energies between the hydrogen and oxygen, that it is a far healthier water. Considering that heavy water is proven harmful, it is reasonable to assume removing all of it can be benificial. There are also three different orbital energies in water. The devices sold to make this water, at best, simply increase the quan y of the higher energy water by rearranging the bonding of the atoms. That doesn't necessarily make it better alone. It cannot make it in any decent quan y of the ‘enriched’ water. It still has the undesireable water in it that is very hard to remove without serious money. There might be a use or theory for a specific isotopes of oxygen in the H2O formulation, but I haven't read anywhere on that one. It seems that removing all deuterium atoms and maximizing MO energies are the key.
    No, this was the kind of magic water that, according to the guy who was "studying"/selling it, lost all of its special properties the second it was subjected to outside scientific testing. This is a major red flag that indicates a total hoax.

    I forget exactly what the guy was claiming the water did, but I do remember that when the water was analyzed by western scientists and found to be ordinary water, the guy who was selling/promoting it simply claimed that the second a non-believer touched it, the special properties were dissapated by the energy of the non-believer.

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    http://www.csicop.org/si/2002-07/dangerous.html

    I think the above article provides some detail.

    In the 1980s, for example, Chumak and Kashpirovsky forced their way onto television in spite of the fact that during those years TV was controlled by the state! This means that paranormalists have appeared on TV with the consent of the supreme officials. These officials might wish to know at least that Mr. Chumak is not original. His trick with "charging" water was unmasked in the beginning of the twentieth century by American physicist Robert Wood.

    It is worth mentioning the sad fact that Mr. Kashpirovsky pushed his ideas on members of the state Duma, and Mr. Chumak also has tried to do this
    http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/russia/030422.htm

    Moscow - Alan Chumak gets a charge out of television

    St. Irinaeus of Lyon Center for Religious Research, December 28, 2003

    On Monday, December 22, Professor Alexander Leonidovich Dvorkin was invited to take part in the filming of the "Short Circuit" television talk show, which is to be broadcast on RTR January 15, 2004 at 11:50 a.m. The professor's opponent in the studio was Alan Chumak, who was quite well-known in the early 1990s when he had nearly half the population of the country in front of their television sets.

    People would place containers of cream and water in front of the television screens waiting for them to be "charged" with his healing "energy". Sometimes Mr. Chumak "charged" entire newspapers with his energy and assure everyone who bought a newspaper with his photo would be healed of any disease.

    At the beginning of the program Mr. Chumak proclaimed that his "energy" was registered by scientific machines and thus it is a proven phenomenon, even copyrighted by him. In the course of the discussion in the studio, however, professor Dvorkin managed to cogently demonstrate the complete groundlessness of Mr. Chumak's charlatanical claims, in a manner so as to serve as an effective counter-advertisement for further incidences of his "extrasense".

    It was obvious that Chumak realized this himself, because when the cameras were cut off and the participants stood to leave the studio, he fell upon Professor Dvorkin with clenched fists and tried to strike him in the face. The professor avoided the blow, stood off at a safe distance and asked the furious "healer" why he did not try using "extrasensory methods" for an effective strike. Did he not claim just minutes before that he could do everything he wanted with his phenomenal energy, including influencing the bodily functions of every living creature?

    "Those methods don't work on s like you! You need to be physically eliminated!" came the answer. This was clear evidence that Chumak himself does not at all believe in his methods or in the effectiveness of his "energy", with which he "charges" various liquids, but instead considers his actions no more than a profitable business, founded on making fools of unsuspecting people.

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    http://www.csicop.org/si/2002-07/dangerous.html

    I think the above article provides some detail.



    http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/russia/030422.htm

    Moscow - Alan Chumak gets a charge out of television

    St. Irinaeus of Lyon Center for Religious Research, December 28, 2003
    Sounds like the Russian version of Benny Hinn.

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    Sounds like the Russian version of Benny Hinn.
    In Russia they sell magic water, in the US they sell magic building demolition theories via coffe cups and t-shirts.

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