I think the reason people dislike Parker is because he has the biggest ego on the Spurs. Don't tell me this team doesn't have egos because Parker has one and Manu has one also, to a lesser extent. If he didn't, he wouldn't try to be the damn hero all the time. It s things up, too. Against the Mavs, that stupid ass foul. One of the worst basketball plays I've ever seen. Last year against the Lakers, chucking repeatedly and turning the ball over -- when he shouldn't have even been playing at all. Then, he plays in the olympics, hurt, after the team told him they wished he wouldn't. Who does he think he is? He has a lucrative contract with the Spurs. Is he bigger than the team? This isn't Michael Jordan we're talking about.
why the hate or dislike? Cause hes an average PG who still averages 5.5 Assists for his career, its no wonder he never gets mentioned with, CP3, Kidd, Deron, Davis, etc. haha even Starbury avgs 7 assists for his career and we all know how much we dont want Starbury.
I do not disagree with everything you say, but this:
Is not fair...He has a lucrative contract with the Spurs.
Of course he has a rather big contract, but he could have had much more somewhere else...
Nash:
- Playing the Run&Gun for Dantoni: 3469 assists in 10831 minutes 15.3 ap48m
- Rest of his career (without his four first seasons to be fair):
2557 assists in 11087 minutes.... 11.0 ap48m
I don't say TP is a great passer... but looking at raw numbers without looking at the system you play is stupid.
WRONG!!
It's really an old fashion France point of vue...
Wrong what ? You don't believe he has no love in France ?WRONG!!
It's really an old fashion France point of vue...
It's old fashion still right.
Most Popular French Athletes in France (2008)
1. Thierry Henry 42,0%
2. Franck Ribéry 38,7%
3. Laure Manaudou 34,3%
4. Tony Parker 33,5%
5. Sébastien Chabal 28,0%
6. Sébastien Loeb 27,5%
7. Jeannie Longo 27,1 %
8. Amélie Mauresmo 26,4%
9. David Trézéguet 25,3%
10. Nicolas Anelka 21,6%
22. Joakim Noah 14,1%
It's a quite weird poll ! Jeannie Longo at 7 noah at 22mauresmo at 6
If you make the poll for the fan of sports you will see o total different picture. For TP just look at the french sports forum you will see that actually spurstalk loves TP.
Good point. It's actually: Les sportifs préférés des français. It doesn't say if the people questioned are real sports fans. Especially Noah at 22, makes me wonder if people don't have his dad in mind when voting (obviously; the guy was a national hero back in the day, and is now popular again as a singer).It's a quite weird poll ! Jeannie Longo at 7 noah at 22
If you make the poll for the fan of sports you will see o total different picture. For TP just look at the french sports forum you will see that actually spurstalk loves TP.
People in France tend to vote for sportsmen who have a difficult background like Ribéry or warriors like rugbyman Chabal and veteran Longo.
how can you say he has no love in france, he's one of the most popular player with iverson, kobe, lebron and tim duncan.
And for the " tp has a huge ego" thing, it's BS.
I think it's Kori who said he was very humble, so please explain why many of you are saying he's arrogant or have a huge ego.(maybe the fact that he's french which seems to be the main reason).
Absolutely ! I think it's like Les sportifs préférés by les ménagères de -50 ans.
Eva is gonna come in here and beat all your butts!
then aren't we glad he hasn't complained and cried about having to come off the bench after six years of doing it when he could've been a starter and a star on any other team. Now for Tony I really love Tony and glad he's a Spur. It's great to really see him grow up and get better and he's a very important piece to our team, he's just not my favorite player.I think the reason people dislike Parker is because he has the biggest ego on the Spurs. Don't tell me this team doesn't have egos because Parker has one and Manu has one also, to a lesser extent. If he didn't, he wouldn't try to be the damn hero all the time. It s things up, too. Against the Mavs, that stupid ass foul. One of the worst basketball plays I've ever seen. Last year against the Lakers, chucking repeatedly and turning the ball over -- when he shouldn't have even been playing at all. Then, he plays in the olympics, hurt, after the team told him they wished he wouldn't. Who does he think he is? He has a lucrative contract with the Spurs. Is he bigger than the team? This isn't Michael Jordan we're talking about.
Last edited by TMTTRIO; 12-04-2008 at 09:52 AM.
he's French... which is to some, is reason enough.
for others, coz he doesn't do HEB commercials.
With Brent Barry gone.. who is going to tell Manu he can't be a mango tree?
Without TP this team would fall apart quicker than its falling apart already. Teams are already spreading apart. And thou we have all our players back(still finding their roles), it easy to see just how far back we are compared to those teams that are just starting to pull away. To be battling Dallas or Portland for the last seed isnt a great sign. Now of course with our week schedule and if Manu had been ready to play. Our record would be alot better. But like most of yall say(that i feel is a cop out excuse), Manu would have been injured anyways. Their last game against the Pistons showed me just how far back this team is. And like and many have said. It all starts in the paint. Against the Pistons this early in the season, we couldnt make a stop if we tried. And it was the usual missing to many 3s that lost our game. Even if we make the playoffs, we will get thrown out quite quickly. Unless we find Timmy some help.
Your team is solid like it is every year. Last year you were one game of making to the finals if it weren't for the Lakers. Now if there's anything that the Spurs can do to prepare for the Lakers, it's to get big or get some long range bombers. Anyone who says that they don't need bigs, needs to keep the LA Lakers in mind.
obvioulsy you didn't understand a thing of my post. it's probably because you prefer to bash, even in a lame way, and because my english isn't always correct.Is there anyone else here who thinks this post is stupid? "Most old guys in San Antonio hate Tony" What a crock of . Did you take a poll? All teams have their favorites and Manu and Tim are probably the choice of most fans . I go to the games a I see more Manu ,Tim and Tony jerseys than any others. The posters at ST would turn on Mother Teresa if she had 6 turnovers in a game. The Trolls are very active here.
Get over it!
when i say old members, i'm not talking about age but about members of this forum who've been there for a long time and who live in SA and have a best knowledge of how tony is perceived there. it doesn't have anything with saying "old guys in SA hate tony", which is just stupid.
this is exactly the kind of answer that i was talking about. i mean something that only people getting to the games in SA and knowing well this forum can know. so, i guess you can understand what i ask when you want it.I go to the games and I see more Manu ,Tim and Tony jerseys than any others. The posters at ST would turn on Mother Teresa if she had 6 turnovers in a game.
anyway, most of you are arguing why they think TP isn't good enough and blablabla, which isn't the topic.
i think he's great and anyway much better than the treatment he gets there. for me, it's obvious and unquestionable so i just want to know why.
and i don't give a if he's loved or ignored in france or anywhere else. i'm not a groupie of the man but a fan of the sportman and the spur. and it's as a spur and a basketball player that i find that he's unfairly disliked here. i don't care about the star thing.
Chris Paul career 9.6, apg this yr averaging 11.8
Steve Nash career 7.9, this yr averaging 8.1 apg
Deron Williams career 8.2, apg this yr averaging 10.2
Baron Davis career 7.3, apg this yr averaging 8.1
Tony Parker career 5.5, apg this yr averaging 6 (has never averaged more than 6.1 apg EVER) Once he averages 9 apg this team would be dangerous.
Didnt TP need 4 QTRS and 2 OTs to get 10 assists? WOW
Forget the Assists per 48 mins crap, thats for homers.
motion offense , that's why.
LOL Please, all motion for the offense comes from the PG dont give me that. See its very quiet simple, When there is passing there is motion, when there is no passing there are people just standing around.
And tonight when ur watching TP, take off the Homer Glasses and watch how he doesnt pass the ball. Watch him get his usual 5 assists and attempt to get his 20 points. And also watch how we will struggle offensively again. Oh Oh also watch when he sits on the bench for a rest as out backup PG does way better with your "motion offense".
Tony isn't a "passing first" kind of PG, that's for sure.Chris Paul career 9.6, apg this yr averaging 11.8
Steve Nash career 7.9, this yr averaging 8.1 apg
Deron Williams career 8.2, apg this yr averaging 10.2
Baron Davis career 7.3, apg this yr averaging 8.1
Tony Parker career 5.5, apg this yr averaging 6 (has never averaged more than 6.1 apg EVER) Once he averages 9 apg this team would be dangerous.
Didnt TP need 4 QTRS and 2 OTs to get 10 assists? WOW
Forget the Assists per 48 mins crap, thats for homers.
but spurs had this past years three offensive options: Tim at the post ; tony on the drive and PnR ; Manu drives and PnR. any of them give assists to the PG.
are you arguing that the style of basketball a team plays has nothing to do with the number of assists his PG has ? look at the kind of basketball played by nash, CP3 and Baron's teams ? is it just a coïncidence ?? who would take the alley oop pass that cp3 throw to chandler and west ? => rasho ? KT ? Oberto ?????
The style of basketball has nothing to do with anything, it all starts with the PG and his decisions on who gets the ball where. Slow paced, fast paced, there are assists to be made and TP doesnt want to make em. Hed rather score and get his, than get his teammates easy baskets.
Tony does what pop tell him to do.
firstly, it's easier to have great numbers when your team plays fast pace, with more possessions, so you begin being false.Slow paced, fast paced, there are assists to be made and TP doesnt want to make em. Hed rather score and get his, than get his teammates easy baskets.
and if you think that it's tony, or manu, or tim, that decide what they have to do with the ball, you don't understand anything at the spurs. tony takes as many shot as Pop allows him to take. that's all.
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