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My crack dealer grows his own rock in his closet.
the i am talking about is people die getting crack into ur country so that u could smoke em, or sell em, ur local druglord is nothing but a puny middleman. we are not talking bout the mafias who ran new york in 20s.
My crack dealer grows his own rock in his closet.
Russians win most patriotic war! Your ancient bombs and guns and planes not stand for against might our bleeding bodies! Our not population have but not soft with your GameBoys and jeans! Hard Russian winter not make us soft! Weak America not can even grow own cocaine need Colombians! Outrage!
and when he gets busted he starts rapping about policemen, and you can damn sure be assured those are grade crack
Is this the same mother Russia that would give one soldier a gun, the next soldier the ammo and then have the commanding officers shoot the soldiers who dared retreat?
Is that the same industrial powerhouse, able to churn out all needed arms in the face of foreign invasion?
Some industrial powerhouse. Couldnt even manufacture enough guns to defend Stalingrad...or is it Volgograd, now?
Ahh, who the knows with Russia. Today we're communist, now we're capitalist, today we're USSR, now we're Russian Federation, today you live in Stalingrad, whoops, I mean Volgograd.
Make up your minds, red. The current wealth of yur country is directly tied to the cost per barrel of oil. Why do you think Russian leaders are so eager to broker a new world financial system with the Chinese and India? Even your leaders know your newfound prominence is linked with the cost of oil and natural gas. As soon as demand drops or the supply runs out, you'll be relegated to your usual role of backwater, underdeveloped hole of the Great North with bad music and unshaven women, who will in time be carried by the Hindus and Buddhists.
Learn about the battle of stalingrad before you talk to me, yes it's the same, the comander will kill anyone who tries to retreat or show signs of weakness, it's a necessity in a harsh war, the russians are outnumbered, outequipped and won that war, they use what you call a shovel to great effectiveness pummelling those s shocked nazis into meat pulps, doesnt help that hitler was a dumb tactician, and the german troops are stranded and demoralize but a victory of that magnitude is one that deserve recognition, not the american late late intervention that paints them as savior, if they have awoken to the nazi threat earlier millions of lives could be saved but as usual the american historians will take all credit for what they deserve or do not deserve.
All this talk of Stalingrad on Spurstalk and no one has yet to bring up the most important American contribution to turning the tide on the Nazis : SPAM!
Kruschev credits it with keeping the army fed in the harsh winter battle. When weather turned it into a war of attrition supplies became every bit as important as man power.
Either way, I'm not sweating this . Swayze may be damn near dead, but Charlie Sheen is older and wiser, and only a great fool would with C. Thomas Howell. If those two are with us who could stand against us?
I was done with this thread after that.
the oil supply and prices will not drop, maybe you should learn a little about economics, it's it a slump right now because of the financial instability but if anything it will rise as other commodity falls, the demand will be shorter but there's other countries like dubai and Eu nations and China and India that demads oil consumption, it will not break a country, just observe ur exon or whatever oil companies u have there they are not the ones in trouble.
Stalingrad showed that the most patriotic thing Russians do for their country is dying. It is how they have kept their nation safe.
In light of that, Russians have figured out that they can keep their country safe long-term by simply dying off en masse. The UN estimates that Russia's population will have shrunk by one-third by 2050. This is why Kobe24Forever struts with such bravado. He knows the relentless dying of the Russian people will make them invincible. I imagine that last living Russian person in the year 2100 or so will be all but omnipotent.
In Soviet Russia, country die for you
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...and we talk out of our ass.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106813
I believe the Georgian president summed it up fairly well:
"Russian soliders are poorly trained, poorly equipped, and mostly drunk, but there are a LOT of them."
Russian forces entering South Ossetia lacked even basic intelligence regarding Georgian artillery positions and troop deployments, which led several of their leading units into costly ambushes. In one surprise attack, the 58th Army's senior commander, Gen. Anatoly Khrulyev, was badly wounded and had to be evacuated.
In a desperate effort to get information, the Russians sent an electronic reconnaissance version of the Tupolev Tu-22M Backfire bomber over the battlefield and it got shot down. In all, Russia lost four planes, including three Sukhoi Su-25 attack fighters to unexpectedly effective Georgian air defenses. Some Russian commanders reported using cellphones to communicate with their units when their own radios failed.
Additionally, the tanks deployed by the Russian Army did not have night sights for their guns, and the reactive armor designed to protect them from Georgian an ank weapons proved unreliable.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106817
At the end of the Cold War, the Soviet Union had a total population of nearly 290 million, and a Gross National Product estimated at about $2.5 trillion. At that time, the United States had a total population of nearly 250 million, with a Gross Domestic Product of about $5.2 trillion. That is, the population of the United States was smaller than that of the Soviet Union, with an economy that was only twice that of the Soviet Union. Two decades later, Russia's population is about 140 million, with a GDP of about $1.3 trillion, while the population of the United States is over 300 million, with a GDP of $13 trillion. Today, the population of the United States is twice that of Russia, and the US economy is ten times as large.
That is to say, with considerably more advantageous population and economic resources, the Soviet Union was destroyed by the effort to remain a peer compe or with the United States during the Cold War. Presently, with relatively more modest resources, it is beyond the capacity of the Russian Federation to mount any sustained challenge to the United States beyond the immediate area of the former Soviet Union.
In August 2008 Russia sent tanks and troops to South Ossetia and Abkhazia after Georgia launched a major military offensive to reclaim the breakaway republics. This was the culmination of months of escalation by both sides. Russia saw the events in South Ossetia in the larger context of a widening confrontation with the West, and in particular the United States. Russia sought this confrontation for a variety of reasons, including providing an appropriate context for a resumption of spending on military hardware, which ended with the breakup of the Soviet Union. Asked whether the fighting will influence the pace of Russia's army modernization, Col. Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn, deputy head of the General Staff said on Thursday 14 August 2008 that the country would "draw serious conclusions" from the events.
The confrontation in Georgia is part of a larger pattern of events in which Russia has sought confrontation with the West. On a whole range of issues, from Kosovo independence to missile defense facilities in central Europe, Russia has taken an extremely confrontational stance towards the United States in particular. The common theme is that Russia faces a clear and present danger from its traditional foe, and that after a time of prostration, the bear is back.
This renewed emphasis on external security threats and the need for a strong military is one component of the emerging image of the Russian state held by Russian policy circles. Gazing across the centuries in search of role models to replace the discredited liberal model of the 1990s, a powerful state headed by a powerful leader in command of a powerful army would seem to be the consistent precedent offered by both Czars and Commisars. The power of the leader has been restored, and too the state, but not the military.
The Russians stopped buying new military hardware nearly 20 years ago. So the Russians now are increasingly keen to find enemies and threats everywhere [Georgia, Poland, etc] to justify a major increase in procurement of military hardware. The Russian problem is four-fold:
If Russia does not undertake a massive increase in military spending soon, their military will be about as capable as the Pope's Switzers - nice to look at, but no threat to anyone. This the Party of Power does not like to contemplate. The armored forces are equipped with a large number of tanks of various kinds, but very few meet modern standards. The average Russian tank is over 20 years old, and a significant number are 40 years and older. Much the same can be said of Russian combat aircraft, which were for the most part designed in the 1970s and built in the 1980s.
Since the end of the Cold War, Russian defense industry has largely relied on international sales to stay in business. During the Cold War it was said that American military hardware was 10 years ahead of the Soviets and 25 years ahead of the Chinese. Now the Chinese have pulled just ahead of the Russians [the Chinese seem to have more Flankers than the Russians], the latest CHICOM guided missile destroyer has RCS reduction features like the US Arleigh Burke, but more extensive than anything on a Russian major surface combatant, and the CHICOM ASAT test in Jan 2007 was a more sophisticated technology than anything the Soviets ever tested, etc etc. Having sold the Chinese the store and the factory, Russian industry is losing their best customers. By 2004, India had become the owner of a larger number of modern Russian tanks than the Russian army itself. India had 310 modern T-90s, while Russia had no more than 150 T-90s at that time. By 2008 Russia had 321 Su-27 Flankers, and plan to buy no more. The Chinese had 420 Su-27 Flankers, and planned to buy hundreds more. Russia's arms exports grew from less than $3 billion in 2000 to $6.1 billion in 2007. At that time Rosoboronexport, the Russian arms exporter, had around $20 billion worth of contracts, which would ensure the operation of defense-industry enterprises for another five to seven years. But the end of Russian reliance on international sales to sustain the industrial base is in sight. A total of 237 billion rubles (US$ 8.8 billion) was set aside for military arms and equipment in 2006, as compared with 183 billion rubles (US$ 6.7 billion) the previous year.
The longer the erosion of the Russian defense industrial base is allowed to continued, the more difficult it will be to halt and reverse the decay. A substantial fraction of the workforce drifted away some time ago, in search of better career opportunities, and those who remain are generally older workers contemplating retirement. Increasingly elderly design and production facilities are suited for legacy weapons, rather than world standard designs. Oil and natural gas exports have had the perverse effect of encouraging the imports of European manufactured goods, leading to the de-industralization of the Russian economy. The emerging Russian Rust Belt cannot sustain a world class machine tool industry, which would be the foundation on which a Russian arms industry might be revived.
Oil and natural gas revenues will not solve this problem. Petroleum revenues to the Russian state budget total about $100 billion annually, with no substantial increase in prospect, and decline forecast by some. The Russian military budget has doubled in recent years, from $25 billion in 2006 to $50 billion in 2009. But this compares to a US military budget of over $600 billion annually. In 2006 2006 a new state armaments program, which will span 2007-2015, was agreed upon for an estimated 4.9 trillion rubles (US$186 billion). OF that total, 63% [$117 B] was to be allocated over nine years for the procurement of modern weapons and euipment and 27% [[$69 B]] towards defense research and development. In Fiscal Year 2007, the US defense budget for that year alone was $134 Billion for procurement and $77 Billion for research and development.
Russia’s efforts to transform its Soviet-legacy military into a smaller, lighter and more mobile force continue to be hampered by an ossified military leadership, discipline problems, limited funding and demographics. Some steps by the Government of Russia suggested a desire to reform. There has been an increased emphasis on practical training, such as the Mobility 2004 Exercises, and the government is introducing bills to improve the organization of the military.
Despite increases in the budget, however, defense spending remains entirely inadequate to sustain Russia’s oversized military. Current troop strength, estimated at one million, is large in comparison to Russia's GDP and military budget, which continues to make the process of transformation to a professional army difficult. This was in part the result of the Soviet legacy and military thinking that has changed little since the Cold War. Senior Russian leaders continue to emphasize a reliance on a large strategic nuclear force capable of deterring a massive nuclear attack.
In 2002, a conscript’s salary was only 100 rubles a month, or roughly $3.50. Theoretically, the army provides all necessities, however, housing and food shortages continue to plague the armed forces. Problems with both discipline and brutal hazing are common as well. HIV infection rates in the Russian army are estimated to be between two to five times higher than in the general population, and tuberculosis is a persistent problem.
Such conditions and the poor combat performance of the Russian Armed Forces in the Chechen conflict encouraged draft evasion and efforts to delay their military service. Although the available manpower (males 15-49) for the Russian Armed Forces was projected at 39.1 million in 2004, only a tenth of eligible males did military service. Moreover, military officials complained that new recruit cohorts are plagued by increasingly incidences of poor education, communicable diseases and criminality. That is to say, when only a tenth of the draft eligible cohort reports for duty, this is the bottom tenth of the cohort that lacked the mental acuity to evade military service.
The Russian government has stated a desire to convert to a professional army. However, implementation has been delayed repeatedly. Current plans envision a transition to a mixed force, in which professional soldiers fill the ranks of select units and conscription is gradually phased out. Some officials have talked of developing a non-commissioned officer corps to lead the professional army, but the military has yet to make any concrete investments in training or facilities that would begin this process.
While the weakness of the 1990s is gone and forgotten, Russia cannot regain the status of great power.
Besides interfering in Ukrainian political affairs, Russia exerted pressure on pro-Western Georgia, supporting separatists in Abkhazia and South Ossetia. By refusing to withdraw Russian troop, Russia also encouraged separatism in Moldova's Transdniester region. And Russia has directed threatening rhetoric at the new-NATO Baltic states (Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia.)
The challenge is trying to understand the sources of Russian conduct [as Kennan might have termed the matter].
If recent Russian behavior is just symptomatic of -for-tat escalation, what Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates called the Russians " throwing their food on the floor", then the Americans can avoid provocations, continue business as usual, reconsider BMD in central Europe, and "getting Russia right" as some Europeans have suggested.
If recent Russian behavior is symptomatic of Russian imperial nostalgia, and a belief on their part that they need a much stronger military establishment in order to assert their natural sphere of influence within the boundaries of the empire circa 1914, then their hostility is almost entirely self-generated, and is beyond the capacity of external actors to placate.
i have no time to read that dumb long article, but i can figure it's just another media propaganda put out before, and have shut up since then, i also read about a new cold war you are making me laugh, here's what you will have to deal with, i can just list one country that can take down usa alone wiht ease, china can russia can, and then there's the SCO, so many countries on that list including india and pakistan than would should join the coalition, wtf that makes nato<---btw nato is just a name, it really havent done at all, dont forget argentina and venezuala will never side with the americans, germany is weak, britain will proberbly pussy out, and you are left all alone, because without money without military command you are nothing even the UN is losing respect for the USA, and getting more vocal about their distrust for them, keep buying into your nazi like propaganda
All the youtube videos and propaganda videos in the world will not
1) enable russia to build effective unmanned fighter drones,
2) enable russia to build tanks that stand a chance against an M1, or for that matter, against the 40 year old A-10 Warthog.
3) enable russia to build a plane that can compete against an f-22, or for that matter, and F-117
4) solve russias horrendous personnel problems.
5) create an senior officer corps that is worth a
6) train a new generation of engineers to design these new weapon systems
7) modernize and expand the industrial base to be able to build the new weapons systems.
8) etc
9) etc
10) etc
i have no time to read that dumb long article, but i can figure it's just another media propaganda put out before, and have shut up since then, i also read about a new cold war you are making me laugh, here's what you will have to deal with, i can just list one country that can take down usa alone wiht ease, china can russia can, and then there's the SCO, so many countries on that list including india and pakistan than would should join the coalition, wtf that makes nato<---btw nato is just a name, it really havent done at all, dont forget argentina and venezuala will never side with the americans, germany is weak, britain will proberbly pussy out, and you are left all alone, because without money without military command you are nothing even the UN is losing respect for the USA, and getting more vocal about their distrust for them, keep buying into your nazi like propagandaSuch conditions and the poor combat performance of the Russian Armed Forces in the Chechen conflict encouraged draft evasion and efforts to delay their military service. Although the available manpower (males 15-49) for the Russian Armed Forces was projected at 39.1 million in 2004, only a tenth of eligible males did military service. Moreover, military officials complained that new recruit cohorts are plagued by increasingly incidences of poor education, communicable diseases and criminality. That is to say, when only a tenth of the draft eligible cohort reports for duty, this is the bottom tenth of the cohort that lacked the mental acuity to evade military service.
But but but... China! Surely China will go to war against the U.S. so the Russians can feel better about themselves.
The united states marines are made of aproximately 1 in 5 gay men, they are poorly trained and demand to have buttsex every now and then or they will sue for money, the marines have been known to chicken out and run when the going gets tough while screaming like little girls.
quoted from the ing CIA, dont tell me where i got it or else i have to kill you.
The article says there will not be a new cold war. Russia is simply incapable of doing so.
I am not "anti-Russian" by any means. I do not think very highly of Putin, but understand the desire not to have your country suck. I welcome a responsible, peaceful Russia into the community of nations, and into the world economy.
If you don't want to read something that points out the weaknesses of your military, that is your business, and actually a good thing for the West, because if you and most Russians remain ignorant of your military's shortcomings you can't fix them, and should push come to shove, I would much rather face the current ty Russian military than an improved one that has taken an honest look at its failings, and moved to fix it.
Yeah, I mean the Chinese surely value the $64 billion's worth of Russian trade per year more than the $600 billion's worth of trade with Western Europe and the US...
They are all buddy buddy, right?
very stupid when it's proven the Su-37 is technologically superior then ur puny f22 and the sukhoi pak fa is soon to be finished in production it's called a 5 generation aircraft for a reason and f22 a mid 3rd to 4th generation aircraft at best, it's just not up to standards with the latest 4th generation sukhoi fighters, that is enough you make it sound so easy and hypothetical when it comes to war, it's useless talking to someone like that.
Nationalists are so darn cute.i have no time to read that dumb long article, but i can figure it's just another media propaganda put out before, and have shut up since then, i also read about a new cold war you are making me laugh, here's what you will have to deal with, i can just list one country that can take down usa alone wiht ease, china can russia can, and then there's the SCO, so many countries on that list including india and pakistan than would should join the coalition, wtf that makes nato<---btw nato is just a name, it really havent done at all, dont forget argentina and venezuala will never side with the americans, germany is weak, britain will proberbly pussy out, and you are left all alone, because without money without military command you are nothing even the UN is losing respect for the USA, and getting more vocal about their distrust for them, keep buying into your nazi like propaganda
"anything that says anything bad about my country is silly propaganda, and anything that says my perceived enemies are a bunch of spineless ineffectual pussies must be true"
GMAFB
Unfortunately the A-10 and F-117 are being retired - rather terrible idea IMO to retire the A-10 though. The amount of military technology the US has compared to Russia is amazing, those fancy new Suhkoi's have nothing on the F-22 for several reason - and one of them is the AWACS. Not only will the F-22 be stealthy, but they will also not have to use radar - one of the biggest ways to give yourself away is to activate it. Chances are the Russians will be using radar, and you can then use radar-homing missles - something that can't be avoided unless you turn off your radar. Oh, but guess what then - you will definently not see them coming. At that point, they'll have their choice of what to pick you apart with. Russia has severely gone downhill since the 80s because their economy couldn't keep up with the US - blame communism there. I mean seriously, why the do they still fly the Bear?
Oh, and the Russians killed more of their own people than the Germans did - I guess it can be considered by-proxy if you want to blame the Germans, but the Russians did burn their own farms and houses causing millions to starve. Awesome nation you have there!
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