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    Yeah, I mean the Chinese surely value the $64 billion's worth of Russian trade per year more than the $600 billion's worth of trade with Western Europe and the US...

    They are all buddy buddy, right?
    you owe the chinese 1 trillion in debts and they still have over 1 trillion in national reserve, in technicality they can buyout ur country, with that 1 trillion reserve, when it comes to war, you can be damn sure the chinese and russian will fight side by side, you will be in deep if they decide not to buy any more bonds from you, and that is proberly what is gonna happen, and even if they do they will make sure u get screwed in some kind of a deal, you have no leverage economically, and they are already making a huge lost doing trades with the usa, that same mistake will not happen again. Keep deceiving urself.

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    you owe the chinese 1 trillion in debts and they still have over 1 trillion in national reserve, in technicality they can buyout ur country, with that 1 trillion reserve, when it comes to war, you can be damn sure the chinese and russian will fight side by side, you will be in deep if they decide not to buy any more bonds from you, and that is proberly what is gonna happen, and even if they do they will make sure u get screwed in some kind of a deal, you have no leverage economically, and they are already making a huge lost doing trades with the usa, that same mistake will not happen again. Keep deceiving urself.
    but like i say keep deceiving urself, russian and china has been trading military technology with each other, but not the usa, there is a reason why, i think it dont take a genious to figure that out.

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    This guy is ing with you. Stop feeding the troll.

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    Unfortunately the A-10 and F-117 are being retired - rather terrible idea IMO to retire the A-10 though. The amount of military technology the US has compared to Russia is amazing, those fancy new Suhkoi's have nothing on the F-22 for several reason - and one of them is the AWACS. Not only will the F-22 be stealthy, but they will also not have to use radar - one of the biggest ways to give yourself away is to activate it. Chances are the Russians will be using radar, and you can then use radar-homing missles - something that can't be avoided unless you turn off your radar. Oh, but guess what then - you will definently not see them coming. At that point, they'll have their choice of what to pick you apart with. Russia has severely gone downhill since the 80s because their economy couldn't keep up with the US - blame communism there. I mean seriously, why the do they still fly the Bear?

    Oh, and the Russians killed more of their own people than the Germans did - I guess it can be considered by-proxy if you want to blame the Germans, but the Russians did burn their own farms and houses causing millions to starve. Awesome nation you have there!
    ur awacs or whatever that is i dont bother to do research on that has as in that video displayed been made obsolete, keep making up nonexistence theory to make urself feel better.

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    "they use shovels to turn germans into meat pulps"

    now thats just damn funny.

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    This guy is ing with you. Stop feeding the troll.
    pls note that i am enjoying this debate in a civil and honest manner, but i am sick of getting dishonest uneducated answers from some trolls on this board.

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    ur awacs or whatever that is i dont bother to do research on that has as in that video displayed been made obsolete, keep making up nonexistence theory to make urself feel better.
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    "they use shovels to turn germans into meat pulps"

    now thats just damn funny.
    an account from a german nazi soldier, they were much tougher then us when it comes to close combat, we were no match from them, it's detailed in a video do entary.

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    what difference does it make?

    shouldn't we all be more concerned with 3rd world jihadists sneaking nukes in briefcases into our country?

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    very stupid when it's proven the Su-37 is technologically superior then ur puny f22 and the sukhoi pak fa is soon to be finished in production it's called a 5 generation aircraft for a reason and f22 a mid 3rd to 4th generation aircraft at best, it's just not up to standards with the latest 4th generation sukhoi fighters, that is enough you make it sound so easy and hypothetical when it comes to war, it's useless talking to someone like that.

    The Su-37 prototype aircraft? The one that hasn't been built yet and is still in the protype stage?

    The one based on the su-27s that first flew in 1977?

    It is a good aircraft, and if deployed in large numbers by sufficiently trained aircrews might be able to shoot down a few F-22's.

    The US military has over a hundred F-22's currently in service. Meaning that by the time any large number of Su-37's were moved from prototypes to actual production models, the F-22 will have been in service with all the flight testing and kinks worked out for a good decade.

    135 on-deck fifth generation jet fighters against what? 2 fourth generation prototypes?

    Again, you can believe whatever you wish, but you can't magic-up an industrial base capable of building advanced fighter aircraft in any numbers, no matter how much faith you have in your country. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

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    The Su-37 prototype aircraft? The one that hasn't been built yet and is still in the protype stage?

    The one based on the su-27s that first flew in 1977?

    It is a good aircraft, and if deployed in large numbers by sufficiently trained aircrews might be able to shoot down a few F-22's.

    The US military has over a hundred F-22's currently in service. Meaning that by the time any large number of Su-37's were moved from prototypes to actual production models, the F-22 will have been in service with all the flight testing and kinks worked out for a good decade.

    135 on-deck fifth generation jet fighters against what? 2 fourth generation prototypes?

    Again, you can believe whatever you wish, but you can't magic-up an industrial base capable of building advanced fighter aircraft in any numbers, no matter how much faith you have in your country. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.
    su-37 is not a prototype dumbass, it's been in production for many years, and numbered in the thousand, you shouldnt make up lies to supplement on own theories.

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    ur awacs or whatever that is i dont bother to do research on that has as in that video displayed been made obsolete, keep making up nonexistence theory to make urself feel better.
    Command and control is never obsolete.

    AWACS = E-3 sentry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-3_Sentry



    Advances in information technology is making the system obsolete, and it would not surprise me that the functions of this aircraft serves will eventually be moved to more secure, ground-based CNC centers, but for now, it does provides some pretty vital functions.

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    whatever let the reality sink in that you are no longer a superpower and will no longer police the world with hypocrisy, the next few years will tell you alot, trust me i know what i am talking about, have fun being a subordinate.

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    su-37 is not a prototype dumbass, it's been in production for many years, and numbered in the thousand, you shouldnt make up lies to supplement on own theories.
    You are thinking of the SU-27, not the Su-37.

    Please provide a source for the statement that there are thousands of Su-37's in service.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-37

    Role Multirole fighter
    Manufacturer Sukhoi
    First flight 2 April 1996
    Primary user Russian Air Force
    Number built 2 conversions from Su-27s[1]
    Developed from Sukhoi Su-27

    You may or may not like wikipedia as a source, but feel free to provide some countervailing source of your own.

    By the way son, if you want to go toe-to-toe in military hardware and affairs with an ex-army intel analyst, you will have to bring some better game than you have shown here.

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    Now the Su-27 that you claim "thousands" of, has had about 680 built in the 24+ years the design has been around, according to wiki.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-27

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    You are thinking of the SU-27, not the Su-37.

    Please provide a source for the statement that there are thousands of Su-37's in service.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-37




    You may or may not like wikipedia as a source, but feel free to provide some countervailing source of your own.

    By the way son, if you want to go toe-to-toe in military hardware and affairs with an ex-army intel analyst, you will have to bring some better game than you have shown here.
    i dont have to bring any game, when you all u gave me was an obsolete awacs , thx you got no game of ur own make some adjustment to ur knowledge, and stop researching wikipedia it makes u sound like a real moron when u keep doing that.

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    LOL this guy is actually a pretty awesome troll. I definitely like his posting style.

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    Now the Su-27 that you claim "thousands" of, has had about 680 built in the 24+ years the design has been around, according to wiki.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-27
    ur an ex aarmy intel from ur wikipedia owned desktop, if you have any real intel you will know u cant fund ur military for , that is why other countries have surpassed you

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    back to the subject i still love kobe bryant and the lakers go lakers go, it's not a charade, even if america goes into, i will continue watching the nba, hopefully a 3peat before the nba shuts down for good.

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    the oil supply and prices will not drop, maybe you should learn a little about economics, it's it a slump right now because of the financial instability but if anything it will rise as other commodity falls, the demand will be shorter but there's other countries like dubai and Eu nations and China and India that demads oil consumption, it will not break a country, just observe ur exon or whatever oil companies u have there they are not the ones in trouble.
    Meh. Russian oil production, even when prices were $US150+ per barrel was sliding. Lost about 2% of overall production in the most current year that they released figures, 2006-2007.

    You can also beleive what you want, but once you deplete an oilfield, it is gone, and all the faith in the world will not bring it back.

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    i dont have to bring any game, when you all u gave me was an obsolete awacs , thx you got no game of ur own make some adjustment to ur knowledge, and stop researching wikipedia it makes u sound like a real moron when u keep doing that.
    Feel free to post a source for your information then.

    Please provide a link showing the current number of Su-37's in the Russian arsenal.

    I'll wait.

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    LOL this guy is actually a pretty awesome troll. I definitely like his posting style.
    Definitely worthy troll material. Sorta fun to play with, but likely to get boring pretty quick. Most one-shtick trolls do.

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    world war 2 was a war won in stalingrad,
    Now that I would agree with. If I had to pick one pivotal battle that made or broke it, that would be it.

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    Command and control is never obsolete.

    AWACS = E-3 sentry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-3_Sentry



    Advances in information technology is making the system obsolete, and it would not surprise me that the functions of this aircraft serves will eventually be moved to more secure, ground-based CNC centers, but for now, it does provides some pretty vital functions.
    Can't/won't happen - it might transition into a drone based role with people on the ground using the instruments, but the AWACS goes places we can't put in ground based surveillance with the power it has. Oh, and it's more than a radar plane, we use it to spy!

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    Russia beat back the Germans because it was ing cold.
    The t-34 had a lot to do with it. It was a fairly decent tank produced in huge numbers that outclassed the PzkW IV for a good year or two before the germans could counter it.

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