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He did a pretty good job in Gilbert Arenas' absence, don't you think? And what would you call Arenas, if not the Wizards' franchise player?
Not really, but ok.
He did a pretty good job in Gilbert Arenas' absence, don't you think? And what would you call Arenas, if not the Wizards' franchise player?
Exactly, we have no idea how Cory woulda played here. Thou Cory is about himself first. That doesnt mean he wouldnt have been outstanding by himself here. Kobe is about himself. Maybe for the first time in his career, he's a team player this season. Jordon was about himself first then the team. There is nothing wrong with having players who could careless about his teamates. Not as long as they win games and play within the system. I like Roger hes not bad for the cheap price we are used to paying for most players. But Cory would have Manu still sitting on the bench healing.
LOL Am I supposed to take this post seriously?
As seriously as asking if Mason is supposed to carry teams.
What was inaccurate about either one of my sentences O Condescending One?
Well my question was obviously rhetorical because no one here - or so I thought - considers RMJr anything more than a potentially very good role player. My initial post had context in explaining why you don't fault Maggette for not being on winning teams and you took a statement from that and ran with making Mason Jr. the equivlant of a franchise player.
Not saying Maggette isn't a turd but in all fairness, the GS system advocates and almost rewards this type of "blinder" play. In the Spurs system, Popovich would have Maggette's breakfast on his if he tried this crap.
I won't get in a hopeless discussion about RMJr being a franchise player - he's not. But he DID fill in quite nicely for Gilbert Arenas, who IS the Wiz franchise plain and simple.
I would honestly not call that a rhetorical question, nor would I say he's potentially only a "very good roleplayer." He has the ability to be a solid 3rd option when one of our big 3 aren't firing on all cylinders - which happens to be why we got him.
On the Maggette point, I don't agree. He was on a winning team in 06, and despite having an injury riddled season, he was healthy enough to average 15ppg in the PO.
My earlier posts go a bit more into that subject.
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Guess what you call a player who is your fourth option?
A good role player.
Are you here to have a discussion, or state opinions as if they are fact?
Three all-stars on this team, he doesn't have a choice. Too bad when at least one of those all-stars were out he was posting huge games and hitting game winners.
What is there to discuss? RMJr is a role player. That IS a fact. He's not an all star, he's not a super star, he's not a franchise playe. He IS a role player. Thats exactly why my question was rhetorical. I didn't actually expect anyone to try to answer it because I thought it was blatently obvious that somone who has never averaged more than 9 points per game in a season, never played more than 21 minutes on average per season and prior to this season started a grand total of 12 NBA games was an NBA role player.
I'm honestly not sure why this is even a point of contention.
I beg to differ. He was scoring with reckless abandon early in the season, including 30 against Sota in that Double OT game. He nailed a game winning 3pter on a play that was called FOR HIM, and wasn't he the one that assisted to Tim for that driving layup over Quincy Douby? Thats 3 games he was a huge contributing factor.
It is a point of contention, and I would go as far to say on a different team he could be a Number 2 guy consistently with his perfect mix of spotting up+faking guys out, ballhandling skills and athletic ability used to get to the basket, a good locker room presence, and at 28, in his prime.
But here let me try your method: Mason IS a capable second/third MINIMUM option. I don't understand why it's a point of contention having seen his production this early season.
I don't want to know what this means exactly.
Yet he's never managed to score more than 9 per game in the league. Ok. There are sure as a lot of 2nd options in this league by your standards. Score a few buckets in early season games, maybe even 30 once or twice and you're all of a sudden vaulted in status. Man, didn't take much for Tony/Manu to get demoted.
dude has a point. i mean anthony morrow poured in 37 in his first start. by your reasoning he could be a 2nd or third option on a team. mason is a great role player. he is not a star and never will be. his at ude, approach to the game,etc. all are essentially for the better of the team at ude, which by definition and in practice is going to preclude him from being nothing more than a highly effective role payer. you could stick him on a ty team and give him 35 minutes a night and he willl put up around 15 points a game, but would never be a star and would not be the direction or strategy for my team (that is asking too much out of him)
His breakout season was about 1/3 of last year, and was signed pretty much exclusively on the belief that 9PPG isn't near his ceiling. Can we at least agree on these two points?
Additionally, he's done quite a bit more than "score a few buckets." He's played solid defense, brought the ball up under pressure essentially every game TP/Manu was out, and his scoring has been very efficient and varied. His BBIQ is fairly high. He was leading the league in 3pt percentage and wasn't far behind in 3pters made (if he was even behind anyone besides himself). His role is going to drop off now but in the Big 2's absence he proved he's a capable third option, minimum.
Without Mason's contributions, we'd be under .500 still, and maybe by a lot.
I think he means maggette would have an extra sausage in his breakfast. I really don't know though. . .
This will go in my book of wierdest expressions i've ever heard.
Yes, they did. You shouldn't speak about things you clearly have no knowledge of, ie NBA basketball.
Like the previous year when he chose the money.What do you not understand? the Wizards didn't get in a bidding war over Mason. He was either going to choose a big role on an EAST lottery team (the uber of ty in the NBA) or a 4/5th option on the Spurs. He chose to win.
5 million dollars <> 10 million dollars. Just kidding.Reread my other posts (did you even understand them, either?) about why Maggette could have chosen a still good amount of money in order to win. He even knew Manu was injured and he'd play a big role early on. He still chose a lottery team, because he doesn't want to win. And I want someone who wants to win on my team.
No, you're just taking what you hear from Sportscenter.New system? The you talking about? Nellieball takes a training camp to learn: RUN RUN RUN. Thought that would be pretty much self-explanatory.
I don't know where you stand on that, it doesn't really matter to me, either. It's fairly obvious to me Maggette is much superior to Roger Mason Jr. I don't even really need to debate that.Where did I disagree on their talent levels? I made counterpoints to that argument, which you have yet to even acknowledge.
Again, there's absolutely no evidence you have brought to the table that Roger Mason Jr. wants to win more than Maggette. Also, our offense is terrible, if you haven't noticed.He wants to win more, and he brings a skillset we need. Maggette's a ballstopper on offense and we run a Motion offense. The word stop and motion are essentially antonyms.
Well, they've been playing together for years, most of them... so they have no excuses for it.The chemistry isn't very good right now. I ask, do you watch the games? Or do you just watch the ball?
Yes, the last thing the Spurs need right now is a 20 point per game scorer who gets to the free throw line about 10 times per game. Hold on, I'll be right back, I can't concentrate when I'm laughing uncontrollably like this.The LAST thing the Spurs need right now is a ballhog. Just last game a lack of ball movement cost us a victory. Seriously dude, what the are you rambling about?
http://lakers.freedomblogging.com/20...irritant/5884/
If it comes from people who covered, played and coached with him, including his best friend saying that he wanted to play on a different team so they could stay friends, it's not automatically untrue because it's on the Internet. If you have a problem with the report, then say that in the first place, but don't wade into this argument and then on the source when I refer to it.
Again, cut it out with the fake arguments. Nobody said he was a franchise player, but for the amount of points he scores he certainly fails to make anyone around him better, and his numbers don't seem to coincide with wins and losses in any way.
As a role player, I'd rather have Roger Mason on this team every day of the week, and that's without even discussing money or the fact that it was a pipe dream to think Maggette would ever have taken a pay cut to play for the Spurs.
• I heard my first concrete rumblings this week that the Warriors are indeed prepared (yes, so soon) to part with their big free-agent signee, hard as it figures to be to move Corey Maggette in the first season of a five-year, $50 million contract. Maggette is one of the 90 guys who becomes eligible to be traded Monday.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailyd...dime-081213-14
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