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Point taken...although for the last page or so we've just been admiring American-made warfighting technology.
Now I know this jagass is a troll...
Point taken...although for the last page or so we've just been admiring American-made warfighting technology.
First off, i have to just say my head hurts from reading this thread. also, how the is anyone from any country outside the us making fun of our space program? ehhhh, how many other countries have one like ours? how many other countries are on teh verge of having a private sector send people into space routinely?
anyone who is claiming military knowledge and doesnt know about the predator or other UAV's is waaaayyyy behind the times. i cant even begin to tell you how many of those damn things are all over the skies of iraq. literally everywhere. in our intel briefs for just our AO in iraq, there was at least a dozen at any given time.
i dont get why he's making fun of our drugs? like our country is bc the crack where he's from is better?and when he gets busted he starts rapping about policemen, and you can damn sure be assured those are grade crackplus i thought you dont smuggle crack, i thought you take coke and make crack. ive never done it so i dont know.
ok. look at any war or confilct from the beginning of the USA til now and tell me the marines havent done more with less. half the we have is hand me downs from teh army, and turn it aorund and make it better. plus this gay war in iraq would be over if the US could fight it the way wars should be fought. go in, annihilate enemies country, dominate them, break their will and pull out. if the american military has any fault, its taht they dont learn from mistakes in teh past.
on to my points
who cares if russia sells fighters to other countries, they ahve to have pilots capable of flying them. prime exasmple of this backfiring would be the vietnam war. granted we lost alot of planes, but if their AF had been properly trained it would have been way worse.
secondly, dont act like the f15 and 16 are our primary fighters. this never even mentions the f18, which has its own flaws. but form my understanding the eagle is on teh way out the door and the falcon might not be too far behind. not real sure on that as i dont follow the AF too close, but from what ive read and seen, teh f22 dominates the 15 so bad it looks like a russian fighter.
third,howthe are sam's going to be the downfall of air superiority? what a joke. have you ever heard of electronic jamming? ever wonder why the E6 flies nonstop 24 hrs a day in iraq righ tnow? not for fun, and def not to drop any bombs.
not to mention you havent even talked at all about helicopters. i mean the apache, cobra and huey are all badass helo's. and they arent afraid to fly low and slow and destroy everything in sight. have you ever haerd of a GAU 17? or seen what an attack helo can carry for ordinance?
and lololololololol at saying india and paki would ever be allies. at lesat in my lifetime.
The world is in for some heavy ass once we perfect the invisibility body armor.
Here's to a couple intelligent people escaping the American school system to keep us up top
oh yeah how does someone who started a thread based off a vid on youtube make fun of poeple for posting info from wikipedia? i was unaware that scholars deemed youtube to be of higher esteem
also quick tidbit on hte predator, on e of many UAV's we have to deploy.
An Iraqi MiG-25 shot down a Predator performing reconnaissance over the no fly zone in Iraq on 23 December 2002, after the Predator fired a missile at it. This was the first time in history a conventional aircraft and a drone had engaged in combat. Predators had been armed with AIM-92 Stinger air-to-air missiles, and were being used to "bait" Iraqi fighter planes, then run. In this incident, the Predator didn't run, but instead fired one of the Stingers. The Stinger's heat-seeker became "distracted" by the MiG's missile and so missed the MiG, and the Predator was destroyed. [33][34]
During the initial phases of the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq, a number of older Predators were stripped down and used as decoys to entice Iraqi air defenses to expose themselves by firing.[3][33]
From July 2005 to June 2006, the 15th Reconnaissance Squadron participated in more than 242 separate raids, engaged 132 troops in contact-force protection actions, fired 59 fire missiles; surveyed 18,490 targets, escorted four convoys, and flew 2,073 sorties for more than 33,833 flying hours
of particular to note is the second point, the point of using them as decoys to have the enemy give away positions.
Sort of on this topic, did any of you see Dan Rather's report (episode was called Battle Plan)? It was on the future plans for our military. Some in the pentagon and congress want to add 100k troops for operations such as Iraq. This would come at the expense of developing better high tech weapons. I believe it was Evan Bayh on the program that wanted to shelve programs such as the F22 to pay for the additional troops. I hope they don't go that route or kobe24 may end up being right. One of the critics of the plan described it as focusing on swatting flies while the vultures circle overhead.
Here's the program description....
HDNet's 'Dan Rather Reports' Takes a Look Inside the Pentagon's Future Plans
for War
Episode to investigate how decisions are made - and not questioned - within
the walls of the Pentagon
DALLAS, Sept. 15 /PRNewswire/ -- How does this country decide future war
strategies? In this Tuesday's "Dan Rather Reports: Battle Plan" the program
will shed some light on how the Pentagon is making decisions to prepare the
United States to fight more wars like those in Iraq and Afghanistan -- wars
against counterinsurgency.
(Logo: http://www.newscom.com/cgi-bin/prnh/20080324/HDNETLOGO)
The Pentagon is internally debating and ultimately deciding what kind of
armed forces America is to have in the future -- and what kind of wars the
nation will be most prepared to fight. The Pentagon brass believes that we
will need to build up a big, "culturally sensitive" ground force meant to
police cities and occupy foreign territories because that is what is "most
likely" down the road.
Remarkably, few in government outside of the Pentagon are asking critical
questions or even presenting alternative ideas.
Is the U.S. military focusing on preparation for a colonial-style power?
If so, is this a good -- or perhaps even necessary -- way to go? And,
concerning this, what are the wishes of the American people?
"Dan Rather Reports: Battle Plan" we'll take you inside the leading minds
on the issue -- officers, infantrymen, and politicians -- who feel
passionately that how we re-shape our military is a do-or-die question for the
future of the nation itself.
It's an interesting point for sure.
Right now the plan is to carry at least a portion of the non-stealth fighters (USAF) out as far as 2035. I think it's likely to be longer for the Navy, since the F/A-18 is newer than any of the USAF non-stealth fighters and they only have one replacement in the pipeline (F-35).
My opinion....get to the point where you have sufficient levels to retire the majority of the non-stealth fleet, and then focus your effort on sustainment of the stealth aircraft.
Again though, it'll be interesting to see where the next administration and congress leans on the budget allocation. What they decide regarding the acquisition and development of new technology will directly impact the sustainment of the stuff that's fighting the war as we speak.
One more thing on the F/A-22...it should be noted that the original production numbers were already cut by more than half (thanks to Rummy).
I honestly don't know how much more they can cut it.
well said now procure $$, if ur national treasury is in the -2trillion all you could do is recruit more jobless people or lazy youths, thats my harsher way of saying things, or suppossed plan about ur military budget.
Question for you. Is it just as useless as talking to someone who argues about military might like he knows it all, but who has never even heard of the predator uav?
How old are you and what country are you from anyways? I will take bets that you are @ 17 years of age.
i find no need to answer that when you are talking to me like a 9 year old, i never claimed to be a military expert, and yes it just hit my head what the predator was a spy drone used in desert storm, always thought i heard of it somewhere but i was like a decade ago, thats ok, i am not one who go search wiki whenever i dont ing know about something or forgot what that stuff was, all i know is USA will get anilihated if they try shock and awe, lets just say on a country like Iran
Swing and a miss.
i also did a little research found out it's one of those failed projects that was deployed in countries like afganistan, very enlightening.
anyways i hope to keep this civil debate going, because bit by bit from this day to the end of next year, you will come to understand what i meant when u trully feel the sting of a complete economic collapse.
this is a video i was kinda hesitant to put out because it really stings, basically it means that there's little chance USA can stand back on her feet, and what i said earlier about the debt you owe, and you begging like dogs for countries to bail you out.
You also did not answer how old you are or what country you are from.i find no need to answer that when you are talking to me like a 9 year old, i never claimed to be a military expert, and yes it just hit my head what the predator was a spy drone used in desert storm, always thought i heard of it somewhere but i was like a decade ago, thats ok, i am not one who go search wiki whenever i dont ing know about something or forgot what that stuff was, all i know is USA will get anilihated if they try shock and awe, lets just say on a country like Iran
So you won't go on wiki to search info BUT you will watch videos on youtube to learn all that know about the USA and its military might or it's lack there of?
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I really can't imagine why you use this name but it's really fancinating. Jugganautes is just a fool who has a strong body but no brain. They are jugganauts but we have even more warriors like Logan (wolerine), Pyro, Storm, Scott, ice-man, or even Magneto. without the helmet, the jugganauts is nothing.Speaking out of ur ass means nothing, the russian and chinese troops outnumbered and are much tougher trained than the USA marines thats a given, if it does come down to ground combat it will be a massacre for the usa, if ur ground troops cant even beat back the japanese, till they were forced to drop the atom bomb, lost in the korean and vietnam war, with better technologies, how the fuc do you expect to win a war against these two jugganauts, you are dillusional, or refuse to admit reality, end of story.
And another thing, if your no military expert, which you yourself said, then you should have shut your mouth along time ago. You are spouting all kinds of info but you have no real expertise or knowledge to back up your loud mouth about any of it, because like you said, YOU ARE NO MILITARY EXPERT. So shut your mouth. End of story.
i dont need to answer that, as to ur query i am neither russian nor chinese, just someone who is in touch with reality, as to my age, why the would you want to know that, you wanna hook up for an ass banging or something?as i said before, bit by bit you will come to understand the implications of running up debt you can never repay, and i for one am glad the world is rid of USA policing and meddling into other countries affair, as to military wont take a rocket scientist to figure out the USA have lost all it's influence against anyone, soon you will see Iran developing nuclear weapons and you wont have the power to stop that, the reason, you have no more say about what goes on around the world, the world is heading into a better direction, a future i am very much looking forward to. India btw is slated to join the SCO soon which means another potential ally which you so desperately seek is cutting it's ties with the USA, you will see this trend continue, korea and japan is already losing it's trust in investing in the usa, the EU will not bail out usa because they have financial problems of their own, but i repeat no one, owes more debt that the USA, it will bite you in the ass, and when reality hits, you will understand what i meant when i said total collapse. Like i said speaking to you morons now is futile, wait till the end of next year there will be massive changes, one that you guys have to fight through, and deal with, something the less priviledge countries have already dealt with and grew stronger from it.
You know nothing and live nowhere.
Honestly chumper ur a dude i respect since ur an inteligent poster and i am agreeable with alot of post you made in the past, there's not enough of you guys to go around though to save ur sorry ass country, and it's too little too late. being a realist that i am, thats the way i see it.
Sounds like you aren't even in this country. You'd be much less pessimistic were you actually here.
Honestly chumper ur a dude i respect since ur an inteligent poster and i am agreeable with alot of post you made in the past, there's not enough of you guys to go around though to save ur sorry ass country, and it's too little too late. being a realist that i am, thats the way i see it.
It's a little known fact that many sociopaths loathe punctuation and capitalization.
look, Kobe24forever.....
you were obviously wrong when you used to post as Kobe8forever and you are wrong about this too.
If we need the money from the Arabs to take care of our deficit, we will do what we always do. We will go take it from them.
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