End of USA military dominance.

[RandomGuy]

Not sure where you're getting your info from....but the A-10 isn't going anywhere for a while.

No it is not. Both Gulf Wars proved the indespensible lesson that such an aircraft is needed. A hard-won lesson of WW2 comes back.

I imagine that the military is probably working on the next generation of the A-10, a design that orginated in the early 70's.

The updated capabilities of that aircraft, whatever form it will probably take, truly make me shudder when I think of the lethality of such an aircraft and what it will probably be able to do to enemy armored formations.

I see something that looks a lot like the present A-10 with vastly improved engines, an airframe that probably will weigh the same or slightly less, but be made out of carbon composites and be waaaay stronger and better armored, with more advanced manuevering capabilities, and better computer assisted targeting.

Eeek.

[RandomGuy]

these morons who dont know much about the military are throwing everything they could to make a case for themselves, searching wikipedia and pasting it makes me laugh, one guy even clain an su-37 was a prototype cause he searched wikipedia, and i didnt even want to entertain that moron lol, so call military experts are appearing everywhere, i dont claim to be one, cause i dont work for the military, but i can see alot of bull and people talking out of their minds crazy anyday

I notice you still haven't posted a link to the production figures for the SU-37, kid.

Still waiting.

[RandomGuy]

Since our teenaged Russian friend likely is too lazy to find some corroborrating evidence to the wiki entry:

http://aeroweb.lucia.it/rap/Features/johnson.html

The main source of the industry’s problems is easy to find: orders from the Russian Federation Air Force (RFAF) are down to almost zero. The same is true of orders from former Warsaw Pact nations. Because RFAF purchases have nearly ceased, production lines have gone idle, and workers are laid off or unpaid. A related problem, which may have greater long-term impact than the closure of some production lines, is a steady decline in the number of new scientists and engineers beginning work in the military–industrial complex. The trend points toward a future shortage of trained specialists in the science-intensive aviation industry.

The SU-37 shows that in some quarters the creativity of Russia’s aircraft designers is unabated. Nevertheless, Russia’s military budget has been hard hit by the country’s economic crisis, and this has translated to severe reductions in aircraft orders. Consequently, neither the SU-37 nor any other new aircraft will enter service in the RFAF in substantial numbers in the foreseeable future.

This was from 1997, however. Current figures for Russian military procurements showed no real e that would indicate the purchase of "thousands" of new aircraft.

RG continues scouring the web...

[RandomGuy]

Source outside of wikipedia:

Following link is a java link that takes a short time to load, but shows the "Russia-India news"
http://publishing.yudu.com/A5uq5/rbt...esources/6.htm

It does detail a few of the trade issues between the country, such as the indian purchase of 347 new T-90 tanks. (remember the article that I posted that noted that India has more T-90's in service than Russia itself? The one that was "too long" to read?)

It also provides the following quote about the Su-37, transcribed here by yours truly:

"Unfortunately, Russia has so far failed to master production of the purely experimental Su-37, built by Sukhoi at its own expense."

The article, "Russia, India set to develop a fifth-generation fighter" goes on to detail how India turned to Russia after first seeking technology and joint programs on the next generation F-35.

[Heath Ledger]

Kobe Kobe Kobe,

If there is one country on the planet that you shouldn't underestimate it's America. Your doom and gloom picture sounds great on paper however our country has great resolve to overcome our problems both financially and militarily. It sounds like you are trying to paint the coming of the fall of the Roman Empire so to speak for America. I've got news for you, tough times for us means even tougher times for anyone outside of the USA and that will not be changing any time soon. Our country no matter how much in debt we are will spend billions and billions of dollars on our military, even if totally hits the fan with our economy we will be the force to be reckoned with. Period. End of story.

[RandomGuy]

Further my research led me to several forums that specialize in debate about the particulars of the aircraft.

The consensus of those forums, and I read through about 4 threads in various aviation/military buff websites goes like this:

The SU-37 is way more manueverable than any other manned aircraft in existance, including the F-22.

This manueverability is also pretty pointless, as the air-to-air missle capability of the F-22, along with its stealth, and ability to detect targets at far greater ranges, means that the F-22 will simply swat the Su-37 out of the sky with a missle barrage and go home.

No human in the world can stand more than a 7G manuever and this limitation is on the human, no matter how good your aircraft. Modern missles can manuever at 30Gs, making such manuevering kind of pointless.

'nuff said. I have now provided two websites giving support to the wikipedia entry.

[RandomGuy]

On the post stating that Russia's population has dipped from 290 million to140 million in 20 years... is that possible? Is that just accounting for the lost population due to the satellites breaking off?

Was it the 1-2 generations of baby makig it lost due to WWII?

The number just seems so unfathomable.

USSR= Russia + Georgia + Ukraine + Baltic Republics + Central Asian Republics +etc.

Russia itself is seeing negative population growth however as living standards have plummeted.

[RandomGuy]

i also did a little research found out it's one of those failed projects that was deployed in countries like afganistan, very enlightening.

The Predator (see wiki entry here) was originally an unmanned drone aircraft, but in recent years was outfitted with anti-tank and anti-air missles.

The US military has gone to the next generation of this aircraft, the Reaper (click for wiki link), with a reinforced airframe (to carry larger payloads) and an engine with about 8 times the horsepower.

Personally I see the future of aircraft in along the lines of the X-45 unmanned fighter aircraft.

There are good arguments for keeping pilots in some combat aircraft on some missions, but unmanned aircraft WILL be the future of US airpower, simply because they cost so much less, and can do a lot more than manned aircraft.


If anyone, Kobe, can give me the corresponding designations of planned Russian versions of these aircraft, I would love to hear it.

[Yonivore]

So,with the concensus that we're going to remain unparalleled in the air for quite some time, can we turn to other aspects of our military.

The ground game is home to some pretty exciting developments as well:



That's a "Quick Kill" Active Protection System destroying and incoming anti-tank RPG in flight and right after launch; Remote-Control Guided Sniper Round?

Now I would have thought that was pretty much impossible. But I guess it's not.

Pretty awesome!

[Kobe24Forever]

Since our teenaged Russian friend likely is too lazy to find some corroborrating evidence to the wiki entry:

http://aeroweb.lucia.it/rap/Features/johnson.html





This was from 1997, however. Current figures for Russian military procurements showed no real e that would indicate the purchase of "thousands" of new aircraft.

RG continues scouring the web...

1. Alexander Velovich, “Slow Slow, Quick Quick, Slow—The Sukhoy SU-37 Made a Spectacular Impact,” Flight International, 18–24 September 1996, 41; and David M. North, “Thrust Vectoring SU-37 Demonstrates Agility,” Aviation Week & Space Technology, 9 September 1996, 24.

2. G. Drugoveiko, “Budet Li Rossiya Letat’ V XXI Veke?” Vestnik Vozdushnogo Flota 3, 1995, 2.

3. Gen-Maj N. Anisimov, “Voenniy Byudzhet I Neplatyezhi,” Vestnik Vozdushnogo Flota 3, 1995, 16.

4. Andey Baranovskiy, “Russian Air Force Left without Planes,” Segodnya, 30 March 1995, 2.

5. Interview with Gen-Col Viktor Kot, “U Nas Est’ Moguchiye Krylya,” Krasnaya Zvezda, 17 August 1996, 1–3.

6. Pyotr Deynekin, “Rossiya Byla, Est’, I Budet Velikoy Aviatsionoy Derzhavoy,” Krasnaya Zvezda, 19 August 1995, 1–2; idem, “Voenno-Vozdushniye Sily,” Vestnik Vozdushnogo Flota, 1–2, 1996, 20-21; and idem, “Major Trends and Prospects for Development of Russia’s Air Power,” Military Parade, July–August 1996, 16–17.

7. Zinoviy Pak, “Russian Defense Industry Proceeds with Restructuring,” Aerospace Journal, September–October 1996, 7–8; and Deynekin, 20–21.

8. A. G. Bratukhin et al., Aviastroyeniye Rossii (Moscow: Mashinostoyeniye, 1995), 225.

9. Vitaliy Vitebskiy, “Statistika–VPK v Yanvarye I Fevrale,” Krasnaya Zvezda, 23 March 1996, 3; and “Statistika–VPK v Avguste,” 26 October 1996, 3.

10. Drugoveiko, 2.

11. “Novosti,” Vestnik Vozdushnogo Flota 5–6, 1995, 6; and “Iz Komsomol’ska-Na-Amure—Televizory ‘Goldstar’ Sobirayut Aviastroiteli,” Krasnaya Zvezda, 23 March 1996, 3.

12. Anisimov, 16; and “Novosti,” 6.

13. “Novosti,” 6.

14. V. E. Aleksandrov et al., “Rol’ Aviatsii v Obespechenii Geopoliticheskikh Interesov Rossii,” Voennaya Mysl’ 5, 1996, 17.

15. Tat’yana Burtseva and Marina Motova, “Rossiskiye Ucheniye Vybrosheniy Na Obochiny Reform,” Izvestiye, 26 December 1996, vii.

16. Russian Ministry of Science, Problemiy Razvitiya Nauchno-Tekhnicheskogo Kompleksa Rossiskoi Federatsii (Moscow: Ecolink, 1995), 9–12.

17. Aleksandrov, 20.

18. On the February RFAF Military Council meeting, see “Aviatsiya,” Vestnik Vozdushnogo Flota 3–4, 1996, 6; and Sergey Babichev, “Pochemy Derzhimsa v Vozdukhe,” Krasnaya Zvezda, 24 February 1996, 3.

19. “Sovershenstvuetsya Ypravlenie Oboronnoy Promyshlennost’yu,” Krasnaya Zvezda, 12 May 1996, 1.

20. Vladislav Borodulin, “Gosudarstvo Vser’yoz I Nadolgo Povernulos’ Litsom k ‘Oboronke’,” Deloviye Lyudi 67 (July 1996): 24–27; and Zinoviy Pak, “Russia’s Defense Industry Proceeds with Restructuring,” Aerospace Journal, Sept–Oct 1996, 78.

21. Borodulin, 24–27; and Zinoviy Pak, “‘Oboronka’,” Nachinaet Zhit’ Tsivilizovannoy Zhizn’yu,” Krasnaya Zvezda, 18 May 1996, 3.

22. Nikolai Ivanov, “Nametki Plana Reformiy Vooruzhonikh Sil Uzhe Yest’,” Nezavisimaya Gazeta, 24 July 1996, 2.

23. Vladislav Fadeyev and Valeriy Baberdin, “V Tek-nologicheskoi Gonke Nel’zya Sxodit’ C Distantsii,” Krasnaya Zvezda, 26 October 1996, 3.

24. Aleksander Bekker, “Yakov Urinson-Voennaya Reforma Zatronet Vsyu Economiku Rossii,” Segodnya, 17 October 1996, 3; and Vladislav Kuz’michev, “AIzmeneny Parametry Byudzheta–97,” Nezavisimaya Gazeta, 25 October 1996, 1.

25. Igor Kovalenko, “Na Chyom Bzletim v XXI Vek?” Armeiski Sbornik 8 (August 1996): 46.

26. Pyotr Deynekin, “Major Trends and Prospects for Development of Russia’s Air Power,” Military Parade, July–August 1996, 16-17.

27. “Russkoye Oruzhiye Vyrvalos’ Na Svobodu,” Kommersant 7 (5 March 1996): 52–53; and “Dmitriy Maslennikov, “Oboronka Sostyazatetsya C Rosvooruzheniyem,” Nezavisimaya Gazeta, 14 November 1996, 6.

28. Sergey Tsekhmistrenko, “Diktovat’ Usloviya Na Mirovom Rynke Ne Pozvoleno Nikomu,” Deloviye Lyudi 63, 1996, 28; and “Russkoye Oruzhiye Vyrvalos’,” 52–53.

29. “Novosti,” 1–2, 41.

30. Sergei Trush, “Prodazha Rossiskogo Oruzhiya Pekiny– Rezoniy I Opaseniya,” Nezavisimaya Gazeta Voennoe Obozreniye, 25 April 1996, 6.

31. “India Zakupayet Rossiiskiye Samolyotiy Eskadril’yami,” Kommersant, 16 November 1996, 4; and “40 Russian SU-30s Lend Youth to Aging IAF Fleet,” Jane’s Defence Weekly, 20 November 1996, 14; Vadim Markushin, “Shirokiy Koridor K Tyoplomu Okeanu,” Krasnaya Zvezda, 13 August 1996, 3; and “India Stala Pervym Pokupatelem Istrebitelei SU-30MK,” Segodnya, 2 December 1996, 1.

32. Nikolay Novichkov and Lyubov’ Milobanova, “Latinskaya Amerika Mozhet Stat’ Perspektivnym Rynkom Dlya Rossiiskoy Voennoy Tekniki,” Izvestiya, 12 March 1996, ii; “Russia, S. Korea Come Together on Defence,” Jane’s Defence Weekly, 20 November 1996, 13; and Nikolay Novichkov, “Desperate for Sales, Moscow Courts Seoul,” Aviation Week & Space Technology, 18 November 1996, 31.

33. Aleksandr Kotelkin, “Russia Was, Is, and Will Be Compe or Number One for the U.S. in Arms Sales,” Military Parade, November–December 1996, 11.

34. Igor’ Chernyak, “Sukhoy Ostatok,” Komsomol’skaya Pravda, 5 March 1996, 3.

35. Leonid Zavarskiy, “Aviapromyshlenniki Reshili Coobrazhat’ Vtroyem,” Kommersant, 6 December 1996, 8.

36. Aleksandr Pel’ts, “Sovet Oboroniy: Prioritetiy Na Buduschee,” Krasnaya Zvezda, 22 November 1996, 1.

some stupid is posting me sources dated back to 1996

[Kobe24Forever]

No it is not. Both Gulf Wars proved the indespensible lesson that such an aircraft is needed. A hard-won lesson of WW2 comes back.

I imagine that the military is probably working on the next generation of the A-10, a design that orginated in the early 70's.

The updated capabilities of that aircraft, whatever form it will probably take, truly make me shudder when I think of the lethality of such an aircraft and what it will probably be able to do to enemy armored formations.

I see something that looks a lot like the present A-10 with vastly improved engines, an airframe that probably will weigh the same or slightly less, but be made out of carbon composites and be waaaay stronger and better armored, with more advanced manuevering capabilities, and better computer assisted targeting.

Eeek.

another stupid is suggesting improving on aircraft that has been made obsolete since the gulf war, are u still living in the past?

[Kobe24Forever]

ok a query to the same stupid who used wikipedia and called su-37 a prototype, i want to here from you and still waiting to here from the supposed military expert on that hahaha.

[balli]

another stupid is suggesting improving on aircraft that has been made obsolete since the gulf war, are u still living in the past?

That "stupid " has gotten national attention for a thread he started not too long ago. Or was it Dark reign??? Either way, you have a handful of posts, some dumb youtube vid and healthy streak of ignorance. STFU and go the away.

[Kobe24Forever]

So,with the concensus that we're going to remain unparalleled in the air for quite some time, can we turn to other aspects of our military.

The ground game is home to some pretty exciting developments as well:



That's a "Quick Kill" Active Protection System destroying and incoming anti-tank RPG in flight and right after launch; Remote-Control Guided Sniper Round?

Now I would have thought that was pretty much impossible. But I guess it's not.

Pretty awesome!

want me to post videos of more advance anti tank protection that that? i think i have done enough video posting and i hope ur not too dumb to search it for urself , posting ancient technology that have been improved on is something that makes u look very stupid. Still waiting on USA to build it's supposedly patriot system in poland, still waiting

[johnsmith]

Alright, I just spent 10 minutes of my life reading this thread and Kobe24forever, you ing bag, I want it back.


This thread is as much a waste of internet space as you are of oxygen.


Now sit your ass down in your little third world country, continue to be jealous of us, and stop watching our sports.

[Kobe24Forever]

That "stupid " has gotten national attention for a thread he started not too long ago. You have a handful of posts, some dumb youtube vid and healthy streak of ignorance. STFU and go the away.

that stupid also used sources older than a decade ago to make his argument, real sad , now i know u ugys have really run out of ammo.

[RandomGuy]

some stupid is posting me sources dated back to 1996

You seemed to have missed the part where I said it was a bit old and needed further verification.

[doobs]

ok a query to the same stupid who used wikipedia and called su-37 a prototype, i want to here from you and still waiting to here from the supposed military expert on that hahaha.

[Kobe24Forever]

Alright, I just spent 10 minutes of my life reading this thread and Kobe24forever, you ing bag, I want it back.


This thread is as much a waste of internet space as you are of oxygen.


Now sit your ass down in your little third world country, continue to be jealous of us, and stop watching our sports.

you country is poorer then most third world country, oh the irony.

[RandomGuy]

Alright, I just spent 10 minutes of my life reading this thread and Kobe24forever, you ing bag, I want it back.


This thread is as much a waste of internet space as you are of oxygen.


Now sit your ass down in your little third world country, continue to be jealous of us, and stop watching our sports.

Actually keep reading. We have been posting some pretty interesting stuff on current military developments. I didn't know exactly how they beefed up the predator drone until researching it. There are some fascinating other articles posted too.

[Kobe24Forever]

You seemed to have missed the part where I said it was a bit old and needed further verification.

all ur post are made from sources older than 10 years ago, anything modern you want to add? you sure work hard finding those sources, i give u credit, but you also shows ur overealiance on the internet without making a cohesive judgement of what you are posting

[johnsmith]

you country is poorer then most third world country, oh the irony.

What country are you in?


I know, you're too humiliating to admit.


If I had to go out on a limb, I'd say it's one that is totally dependant on us.

Quit the internet because you suck at it.

[RandomGuy]

Source outside of wikipedia:

Following link is a java link that takes a short time to load, but shows the "Russia-India news"
http://publishing.yudu.com/A5uq5/rbt...esources/6.htm

It does detail a few of the trade issues between the country, such as the indian purchase of 347 new T-90 tanks. (remember the article that I posted that noted that India has more T-90's in service than Russia itself? The one that was "too long" to read?)

It also provides the following quote about the Su-37, transcribed here by yours truly:

"Unfortunately, Russia has so far failed to master production of the purely experimental Su-37, built by Sukhoi at its own expense."

The article, "Russia, India set to develop a fifth-generation fighter" goes on to detail how India turned to Russia after first seeking technology and joint programs on the next generation F-35.

By the by, this article was from September of 2007.

Kobe has yet to provide a link supporting his claim of "thousands" of SU-37 owned by the Russian military.

[johnsmith]

Actually keep reading. We have been posting some pretty interesting stuff on current military developments. I didn't know exactly how they beefed up the predator drone until researching it. There are some fascinating other articles posted too.

Oh, don't get me wrong, the stuff you guys have been posting is fine.

[Kobe24Forever]

Actually keep reading. We have been posting some pretty interesting stuff on current military developments. I didn't know exactly how they beefed up the predator drone until researching it. There are some fascinating other articles posted too.

beef up lol, other countries have been making innovations and advancement, u need to beef up urself and brace urself for major poverty, still waiting for the patriot system in poland, still still.