Ginobili: Where Does He Rank Among SG's?

[galvatron3000]

I Kobe is the best shooting guard in the league then tell me where does Manu rank and what doesn't he do that all the others do, including Kobe?

I'd like to get the assessments from everyone about this because I think he ranks very high because of the things he does and is capable of doing.

[timtonymanu]

i say it's a battle for the 3rd spot between him and T-Mac.

[angelbelow]

i think ginobili is 2a when fully healthy. wade is 2b. thats just my opinion.

[Frenchise player]

Ginobili is very different from the other good SG in the league.
He plays less minutes and doesn't have the ball as much because he has to share with Tim and Tp.

I would rank him third in pure ability behind Kobe and Wade but there are several other SG who mean more to their team: Roy, Johnson or Carter and Martin are guys who really carry their teams.

[mystargtr34]

1. Wade
2. Kobe
---------
3. Manu
4. Johnson
5. Roy

T Mac is injured too much, and he sux now days when hes not anyway.

I think Wade is better than Kobe, shoots a much better percentage, better playmaker and finisher at the rim.

[galvatron3000]

Yeah but what does he do that other don't and vice versa?

He's my assessment but not my ranking:

Manu can take you off the dribble
He creates offense for others
He can shoot the mid range and the 3 consistently
He can pass
He is a solid defender
Manu attacks the rim drawing fouls and shoots the free throw well
He's clutch
He is better the last 2 to 5 minutes of the game
He's fearless
He's a true compe or
He bring intangibles that stats don't show
He commands a double team or you'll pay

[galvatron3000]

well,Wade and Kobe are a litle more athletics and strong as Manu is.
I think that the Edge Kobe and Wade have over Manu.

ok, but what does their athleticism give them that Manu doesn't get from his?

[tav1]

Kobe
Wade
Ginobili

[mystargtr34]

I think Kobe and Wade obviously have physical gifts that Manu doesnt, which gives them a pretty sizeable advantage. Theyre both every bit as skilled as Manu aswell.

To me though Manu is number 3.

[endrity]

I am not saying he is better than Manu, but people tend to underrate Joe Johnson a lot. The guy has developed a lot since he left Phoenix.

[timtonymanu]

according to Van Gundy and Mark Jackson.

Van Gundy: Kobe, Wade, T-Mac
Jackson: Kobe, Wade, Roy

Jackson points out that he didn't pick Ginobili or T-Mac because they're a thing of the past and they're not healthy.

[mystargtr34]

T-Mac at number 3 is a joke. Who cares what he done when he was healthy, thats a guy thats never gonna get back to that 32-6-5 we saw in 2003 - his body is no onger capable of that.

Last week one of them had Manu at 3, they change every week.

[tav1]

the deference maker is that Kobe and Wade are AfroAmericans(and I mean it in a good way)while Manu is Spanish/Italian.
Black ppl are always more physical gifted tham the rest(white,spanish,Asians,Etc)

this is just a stupid, unnecessary distinction

[JamStone]

1. Kobe
2. Wade
3. T-Mac (if healthy)
4. Joe Johnson
5. Manu (if healthy)

If you argue for a fully healthy Manu, you do the same for T-Mac. I more of a fan of Manu than T-Mac, but T-Mac is the better player if both are healthy. People can argue about choking and winning in the playoffs, and I would agree to a certain extent. I'd say Manu is easily more of a winner than T-Mac. But, T-Mac is still the better player.

[galvatron3000]

I think Kobe and Wade obviously have physical gifts that Manu doesnt, which gives them a pretty sizeable advantage. Theyre both every bit as skilled as Manu aswell.

To me though Manu is number 3.

what advantage on the court are you referring too?

[JamStone]

Kobe
Brandon Roy
Rudy Fernandez
Nate McMillan
Martell Webster

[mystargtr34]

what advantage on the court are you referring too?

Stength, athleticism and durability

[tav1]

what?
saying that Black ppl are a better race physical wise is a racist statment?
Dude, I'm saying that they're better athlets tham anybody else in the world.WTF?
You ppl are too sensitive.

Why do you think I thought it was a racist statement? Strange.

[Warlord23]

T-Mac doesn't make the top 5 in my book. It's all coulda shoulda woulda with T-Mac. How does "if healthy" matter if you can't recall when he last had a fully healthy season.

That's like Kill Bill Pana talking about some great Greek guard who won't ever see the NBA. Nobody can prove or disprove that assertion. Same goes for T-Mac - he's almost never there when it matters.

Also, Manu > T-Mac. Even the clutchfans board admits it by and large

[Deimosfobos]

i say it's a battle for the 3rd spot between him and T-Mac.

T-Mac is a joke, a proven loser. Sure, he has the skills, but he brings teams down... Manu + Houston team - T-Mac = Real Championship contender.

I would honestly turn down T-mac even if we could get him for free, he is like a disease.

[InK]

what advantage on the court are you referring too?

Wdf do u think he can be reffering to? When they jump their feet are higher from the ground then Manu's, when they run their feet move faster then Manu's. Something like that.

[galvatron3000]

Stength, athleticism and durability

Again, what I am asking is with these advantages, how do they use them on the court to differ or elavate their game by doing what Manu can't. If they are more athletic, etc ,etc what are they doing that Manu ccan't or doesn't?

[galvatron3000]

Wdf do u think he can be reffering to? When they jump their feet are higher from the ground then Manu's, when they run their feet move faster then Manu's. Something like that.

So, they move faster and jump higher so what does that translate to them being better than Manu, do they get to the rim and Manu doesn't? How is this an advantage over Manu because if it's an advantage it must mean Manu can't or he can't consistently so is that a bit clearer cause I'm having a serious discussion not young boy talk

[mystargtr34]

1. Kobe
2. Wade
3. T-Mac (if healthy)
4. Joe Johnson
5. Manu (if healthy)

If you argue for a fully healthy Manu, you do the same for T-Mac. I more of a fan of Manu than T-Mac, but T-Mac is the better player if both are healthy. People can argue about choking and winning in the playoffs, and I would agree to a certain extent. I'd say Manu is easily more of a winner than T-Mac. But, T-Mac is still the better player.

First of all, i would say a prime T-Mac was better than Kobe AND Wade, he was right there with them. But that T-Mac is long gone, and his body is so broken i think its impossible, based on evidence since then from a 'healthy' T-Mac.

T-Mac's injuries are completely different to Manu. Manu had a one off injury, T-mac has had constant injuries for the past 4 seasons.

Mcgrady last 3 seasons

Games Played
47
71
66

FG %
.406
.431
.419



Manu last 3 seasons

Games played
65
74
76

FG%
.462
.464
.461

[Frenchise player]

You can't assume a healthy T mac because we haven't seen one in three seasons.
Manu was healthy last year and was dominating the league.

really?
So t me,if Manu aint that important to SA why didnt we beat the Lakers in the WCFs last season when He got hurt?
Manu is as important to the Spurs as it is Wade to the Heats and Kobe to the Lakers.
The thing is that the spurs dont depend only on him,we still got TD and TP,but we need the 3 of them to make it happen.
No manu:No championships for the spurs,and the same goes for TD and TP,without any of them we got 0 chances.

Can you really assume that we would beat the Lakers with a healthy Manu?
I understand that you make the point that the Spurs won't win a championship without Manu and the same would apply to Kobe and Wade but no they don't have the same importance to each of their team.

Kobe and Wade are the first option in each of their teams (the same goes for Roy and Johnson), the Spurs are build around Duncan, he is the franchise player.
Manu is vital for the Spurs championship hopes but he is not in that category.