Shaq is 7-1 with freakish long arms and strength. Dwight is 6-10,6-11 tops.
I disagree with this. Yao can't be matched up with small, face-up power forwards like Bynum and Howard sometimes can, nor will he block as many shots, but he's better overall at anchoring a team's defense. His positioning and understanding of angles is superb.
I luv you guys for finallly giving Bynum some props. The only reason I started to post here was, because so many people were bashing Bynum. Actually I got bashed more than Bynum for making a case for him.
bynum shutting down bosh? NO.
bosh is like fukn kg....fukn stupid shooters, just force them to shoot instead of scoring in the low post for ty % shots....if they have an off night? it be way fukn off that it looks like someone has shut them down, but in fact they shut themselves down cause of the limited offensive skill set they have by being a jumpshot bigmen. jump shooting bigman without lowpost moves are .....bosh has good range, but not efficient like dirk.....
With his lack of speed and conditioning he'll have major problems against pick and rolls and quicker players. I also feel players challenging Yao more than the other 2 also.
If you watched the game, bynum shut Bosh down. Bosh couldn't drive against him, couldn't post him, towards the latter parts of the game bosh was shooting fadeaway jumpers from the top of the key. It wasn't as if Bosh was missing easy shots.
but i must admit out of all the players mention so far, non of them are on the same level as rasho nesterovic
but i must admit out of all the players mention so far, non of them are on the same level as rasho nesterovic
Actually his 18-20 footers were automatic against the Lakers the other day. Bynum shuts down Bosh, but he can't guard Rasho
i agree. rasho has size, skill and strength.but i must admit out of all the players mention so far, non of them are on the same level as rasho nesterovic
as for howard: he reminds me alot of daryl dawkins. all he does is dunk.
ppl are so fast to jump on the wagon calling oden a busts, but if you look at the hawks marvin williams.....what are your opinions? ppl didnt jump on the bust wagon for his first year cause he was still developing, but that did put a dent into the teams future of contending had they drafted a PG instead williams/cp3? And i still think MV is not all that imo.....
Howard is much better than the chocolate thunder, but no one could break backboards like him tho.i agree. rasho has size, skill and strength.
as for howard: he reminds me alot of daryl dawkins. all he does is dunk.
another good comparison for howard is boozer.....
both players with huge bodies, dwight power athleticism, while BOOZER uses his body and layups and shots inside without rely on athleticism.....
no Oden if far from a bust. His overall impact on the defensive/rebounding end for his team is tremendous with him in the lineup. I'll still take Oden over D12 right now as long as he's injury free. I don't care how many points he scores, he will change outcome of games just from his defensive/rebounding presence.
If Dwight Howard didn't have much skill, he'd be more like Ben Wallace. While his skill set still needs work, it's not as limited as some might suggest. He does get by a lot on strength and athleticism, but he also uses coordination, timing, balance, reaction time, and footwork in concert with his strength, athleticism, and agility. There have been other basketball players with elite athleticism that weren't able to do the things Howard does or put up the numbers he does. He's not the most skillful big man in the game, but he is not as limited as some suggest in the skill department.
then whattabout omeka who doing exactly that playing a defensive role only on the bobcats.....what you think of his progess so far? ppl look down on him so far when compared to d12
Okafur is 6-9, Oden is a legit 7 footer. Take 3 inches off of every top bigman in the league and well you see what I'm getting at.
If Ben Wallace could hold onto the ball, he could have scored 13 points a night with the Pistons without much of a problem.
But you're right; 13 isn't 21. Although I wouldn't oversell the "many other athletic players" argument; there are a lot of Stromile Swifts and Amir Johnsons with his agility, and a lot of Rasho Nesterovics and Kendrick Perkinses with his bulk, but few who have both.
It's hard to be a bad basketball player with those kinds of gifts. It's to Howard's credit that he's become more than not-bad, but he's not yet great.
Okafor's a pretty good defender, but he's short, slow-footed and clumsy.
Ben Wallace is 6-6,6-7
Bynum is not even as good a low post defender as Kwame. Jackson always started Kwame when playing the Rockets.
Beat me to it. Dwight has pretty good footwork, he gets position and almost always beats the defender to his spot, normally to the middle, and even throws in a lefty hook now and then. He has nice touch close to the basket too. Hes alot more skilled than people make him out to be here.
Wallace has zero coordination and the worst touch I've ever seen. If he was 6'10, he'd still be a terrible offensive player.Ben Wallace is 6-6,6-7
I also don't see Bynum getting to Howard's level, but that's a story for another time.
The guy is putting up 21.5/14.5/4.1 thus far this season. If Oden and Bynum ever even approach those all around numbers as the first option on their teams, Lakers and Blazers fans should be thrilled.
It doesn't matter if 2pts is 2pts......the question was is he a skillful player.
There's god given talent and then there's skill. One you're born with and a skill is something that is "learned".
Dwight Howard has the "god given talent" is spades, he might be the most physically talented player in the league (right up there with LeBron), but he's not very "skilled" yet. He needs to work on his post game.....he's very underdeveloped in that department.
Which is why pretty much everytime he goes up against another quality big man that has the strength to keep him away from smashing range he doesn't do so well. Luckily for Howard though, there isn't alot of quality big men.....especially out east where he just can beast on people every night.
Dwight Howard is really only 6-9, yet he dominates a lot of legit or close to actual 7-footers.Ben Wallace is 6-6,6-7
If Ben Wallace was a legit 6-9 or 6-10, he still wouldn't have been close to the offensive force Dwight Howard is. Ben Wallace has very poor hand-eye coordination as it applies to an offensive skill set. He has trouble holding onto the ball even though he has average size hands, not tiny hands like Kwame Brown. Ben doesn't have any kind of footwork on the offensive end. He looks clumsy with the ball. Howard is probably about 2 inches taller than Ben Wallace, but then again, Ben Wallace has extraordinarily long arms for his height.
If Ben Wallace was 6-9 or 6-10, he might have been able to average 10 ppg. That's still a far cry from the 20 or so ppg that Dwight is able to score on a nightly basis. Added height for Ben Wallace would have actually helped his defense more than his offense, and his defense didn't need much help anyway.
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