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Giving up picks to move up for Jason Babin was the move I hate most.
I feel you man when I go back and look at some of the drafts we (Texans) have had and see some of those guys I cringe on what we could have had.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/ful...2120&type=team
Giving up picks to move up for Jason Babin was the move I hate most.
name every starting quarterback who is undefeated this season. I've got Tom Brady and Vince Young.
Raiders had some bad moves. Too many to name, actually.
YEAH and he sucked. What happend to him did we end up cutting him?
He got traded to Seattle for Michael Boulware.
they should both make the pro bowl on that basis alone.
LOL for I guess.
Depends entirely on team needs. Coming straight out of the draft (entirely based on their college resume, etc... ), if I was in need of both, I probably would have went with VY because of the huge win in the Rose Bowl.
Looking back... I really can't argue with either one. Currently, Williams is doing more, but a unique gamechanging QB will ALWAYS be more special than a gamechanging player at any other position. Also because of the fact that this is only Young's third year... he needs a couple more years until he can have a truly fair assessment.
God, I hope that doesn't happen with Tebow and the Lions.
So you would give a rookie qb.......the future of the franchise 5 years to prove his worth before pulling the plug? So since he has been declining instead of progressing do you really want to see what he will look like in 2 years. We have heard it all from his mental/suicidal issues. His teammates and center have called him a baby with his whining when he either get booed or when things do go his way. His center made a statement about his inability to learn the playbook cause its too complex. Then there is the surrounding "Talent" issue. Come on he is throwing to PROS. He threw to less talent at Texas. Sweed is a talent but he isnt even a starter for Pit so what does that tell you. How many excuses can you make for the guy?
Considering the investment the ans they have in the guy, yes.
Labeling most picks a boom/bust after three years is premature and ill-advised. Plus, he only played in one game this year.
Like I said, that was from the standpoint of coming straight out of the draft. Not considering what has happened since the both of them came into the league.
I personally feel he has plenty of potential and talent, and that he needs time to develop different things. Some QBs come into the league and are good right away, others take time and need to learn from the bench early on. See Steve Young.
And how has he really declined? I know he threw more picks and less TDs last year, but at the same time, he improved his completion % considerably (over 60%). And he only really played in one game this year.
It's hard to tell because of his limited time in the regular season, but he looked awful in the preseason.
His stats have never been good. Other say he gets the job done and what not. Thats hard to say because its been that def that has given them the W's not the off. Now with Collins has producing more with the same team makes you wonder. PLUS if they have sooo much invested in him and he is the future why isnt he playing right now. We all know he can, he played a few weeks back.
How many more years does he have on his contract?
Tebow might be coming out as a Tight End.
really? He is a big guy but I dont see him as a NFL TE.
I'm sure the same was said about Owen Daniels.
Yeah, and a lot of people said VY would be better suited at another position as well.
If he can duplicate or come close to VY's performance in the Rose, then Tebow may ride that wave all the way into the first round. As a QB. All it takes is one team to fall in love with him.
The funny thing is that one of the knocks against TT may very well be what's happening with VY. I mean, besides the fact that he has horrible footwork, an ungodly slow release, zero touch, etc.
VY was way harder to tackle, though. Tebow could be a nice project at QB. I could see a team using a 5th rounder or so.
In order to make comebacks, you have to score points. In order to win games, you have to score points. To say that its always all because of their defense, is incredibly far from the truth.
Second, to say Collins has the same team is absurd as well. The team has a lot of young players. As they mature, so will the team. They have clearly matured quite a bit since last year (mainly on defense). Not to mention they added a playmaker on offense that they have not had in the time that Vince Young was at the helm (Chris Johnson). Add to it the new, more effective offensive system run by Mike Heimerdinger, as opposed to Norm Chow's crap. So your original statement is likewise ridiculous.
He isn't playing right now because the team is simply doing well right now with Collins, much like the Patriots were doing when Bledsoe went down and Tom Brady stepped in. Why change it, if it is working?
You'd agree that he has to show improvement by the end of next year for the ans to hang on to him though, right?
VY came into a better situation than Mario. It's not secret they were winning in spit of VY, not because of him. That's what happens when you have a dominating defense. Even flaming an fans are quick to admit this. IMO, VY can't take his spot back because he can't throw the ball (see worst passer rating for a starting QB in 2007) and Reggie Bush is no better than 3rd. Round pick Steve Slaton. Well, actually Slaton can run between the tackles and can catch out of the backfield.
I suppose this conversation should never dieMario will be the first legit Pro-Bowler who is voted in as a starter and not a 3rd alternate. He led all fan voting for his position in the AFC. Really, there's no debate when only Mario is making contributions 3 years in a row.
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