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  1. #1276
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    Woooo! Go Kings...

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    I have to agree with you.


    If I'm constructing a team around one player for one year, I'm starting with Tim Duncan and it's not even a tough decision.

    First off, on the defensive end, what Tim enables the perimeter defenders to be able to do is be aggressive. They can be so aggressive only because Tim is back there in the paint protecting the goal. Kobe and Lebron don't / can't protect the goal like that. You finish possessions off on the defensive end with rebounding. Tim is far superior to them as a defensive rebounder, naturally. You might argue that this is not surprising due to the position that Tim plays.

    But this is precisely Pesky's point. A superstar Power Forward, in fact, the best to ever play that position, will have inherent advantages in these categories.

    Next, on the offensive end. Tim will always give you the 20 points and 10 rebounds a game average. You can write it down. But it's more than that.

    He spaces the floor in a way that the small forward and the guards don't.
    That's because he posts up and he's so effective posting up, that the shooting guards who feed him the ball are often left with an open shot.

    That's the type of spacing that guards simply can't create.

    It's easier for a defender to go back and forth covering a player near Kobe or Lebron and then help out and double on Kobe or Lebron simply due to the areas in which they operate.

    They aren't post players. Therefore, it's easier for defenders to help out without completely leaving their man wide open.

    So, Kobe and Lebron for that reason don't create spacing in the same way.


    Also, many times the pass out of post leads to one more pass which leads to the score. However, the critical pass was the one from the big man back out. Tim is a great passing big man. Because often there is a second pass needed to get the score, he does not get credit for an assist, but the score and the play begins with Tim Duncan.


    We should also note that Tim shoots at or above 50% every season. Kobe doesn't. In fact, Kobe surprisingly, isn't even that great a 3 point shooter by percentage.


    Finally, when Kobe has won a championship, he was never the best player on the team. Tim has been the best player on the Spurs team every year that we have won with the exception of the 2007 NBA Finals. Tim has proven that he can be that centerpiece that you build around and win a championship with. He has done it without any other allstars on his team (2007 and 2003). Lebron and Kobe have yet to prove what Timmy has already proven: build a team around me and you can and will win championships.


    For me, this is a conclusive case.


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    Brad Miller is one of the best big men who can really pass the ball(5 pr 6 assts)

    I guess Beno has found his home at last, huh?

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    Whew! That was a painful game to watch. Glad the Spurs pulled it out and that Terry fouled his team out of a close game with that flagrant. Manu pulled a few bonehead moves to lead to the first and second overtime, but he is such a threat it is hard not to have him out there. Good game by Tony, but he needed to get a little closer on defense. He is too fast to sag off like he is doing. Tim was the monster we have come to admire.
    That was a great game to watch, for both sides, I think. The best team won but the Mavs played a pretty good game too, for them. I really like this JJ Barea kid. He's a keeper.
    Because of the minutes everyone played tonite, tomorrows' game may be a challenge. Atlanta playing tonight too will help a little, but they didn't put in all the minutes the Spurs did. Although, as a marathon runner with only one lung, I have to laugh sometimes when they use playing for 30-48 minutes,
    with timeouts, as an excuse for being tired and playing bad.

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    I have to agree with you.


    If I'm constructing a team around one player for one year, I'm starting with Tim Duncan and it's not even a tough decision.

    First off, on the defensive end, what Tim enables the perimeter defenders to be able to do is be aggressive. They can be so aggressive only because Tim is back there in the paint protecting the goal. Kobe and Lebron don't / can't protect the goal like that. You finish possessions off on the defensive end with rebounding. Tim is far superior to them as a defensive rebounder, naturally. You might argue that this is not surprising due to the position that Tim plays.

    But this is precisely Pesky's point. A superstar Power Forward, in fact, the best to ever play that position, will have inherent advantages in these categories.

    Next, on the offensive end. Tim will always give you the 20 points and 10 rebounds a game average. You can write it down. But it's more than that.

    He spaces the floor in a way that the small forward and the guards don't.
    That's because he posts up and he's so effective posting up, that the shooting guards who feed him the ball are often left with an open shot.

    That's the type of spacing that guards simply can't create.

    It's easier for a defender to go back and forth covering a player near Kobe or Lebron and then help out and double on Kobe or Lebron simply due to the areas in which they operate.

    They aren't post players. Therefore, it's easier for defenders to help out without completely leaving their man wide open.

    So, Kobe and Lebron for that reason don't create spacing in the same way.


    Also, many times the pass out of post leads to one more pass which leads to the score. However, the critical pass was the one from the big man back out. Tim is a great passing big man. Because often there is a second pass needed to get the score, he does not get credit for an assist, but the score and the play begins with Tim Duncan.


    We should also note that Tim shoots at or above 50% every season. Kobe doesn't. In fact, Kobe surprisingly, isn't even that great a 3 point shooter by percentage.


    Finally, when Kobe has won a championship, he was never the best player on the team. Tim has been the best player on the Spurs team every year that we have won with the exception of the 2007 NBA Finals. Tim has proven that he can be that centerpiece that you build around and win a championship with. He has done it without any other allstars on his team (2007 and 2003). Lebron and Kobe have yet to prove what Timmy has already proven: build a team around me and you can and will win championships.


    For me, this is a conclusive case.

    Well said, thank you.

    I think Parker deserved the Finals MVP in '07, but I think it was still Duncan that got us there through the Playoffs.

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    With the emergence of JJ, a player that was already on their team, the trade for Kidd looks even more stupid.

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    With the emergence of JJ, a player that was already on their team, the trade for Kidd looks even more stupid.
    I was just thinking the same damn thing!!!

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    Now that I've had time to catch my breath...Damn. Am I glad we came out of that one with the win. It just feels good.

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    With the emergence of JJ, a player that was already on their team, the trade for Kidd looks even more stupid.
    barea will be traded for a worn-out decrepit old has-been allstar.

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    Weird with what?? Pointing out the obvious about Dirk and TD. Dirk is not a big time player IMO. He is not clutch. He'll go to the Hall based on stats, but he's not a leader or a winner. TD is on the legendary level, Dirk is just a very good player and that's all he'll ever be..
    Some required reading. Might open your eyes a little:

    http://slamonline.com/online/nba/200...owitzki-no-12/

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    With the emergence of JJ, a player that was already on their team, the trade for Kidd looks even more stupid.
    And the way Barea's been playing lately, you almost have to think that he should maybe start over Kidd.

    Can you imagine if Dallas had Devin Harris AND Barea?

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    NOTABLE STAT:

    Matt Bonner going 5-for-5 FG, with three 3-pointers.
    4 rbds

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    barea will be traded for a worn-out decrepit old has-been allstar.
    are you thinking Nash? Or Marbury?

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    When does it go from "Matt Bonner had a good game!" to, you start to expect it?

    Hes been playing this well consistently for about 2 or 3 weeks now.

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    Some required reading. Might open your eyes a little:

    http://slamonline.com/online/nba/200...owitzki-no-12/
    Weird with what?? Pointing out the obvious about Dirk and TD. Dirk is not a big time player IMO. He is not clutch. He'll go to the Hall based on stats, but he's not a leader or a winner. TD is on the legendary level, Dirk is just a very good player and that's all he'll ever be..



    Ditto what Dbreiden said. It's hard to see how anyone could argue with the points made by Dbreiden there.

    Do we really want to revisit the perhaps the worst choke of the NBA finals in recent memory? followed by a loss in the greatest upset in the history of the NBA playoffs to the eighth seeded Warriors? And what followed afterwards?

    There is a lot of sorry history here. Dirk cannot escape responsibility here. He can't shirk it, shank.

    We all know about his fourth quarter quits.

    For how many years has he allowed guys five inches shorter than him to contain him?

    Bottom line: Dirk just hasn't gotten it done in May or June.

    He's a pretty good regular season player. There have been a number of them. Some of the better ones are HOFers, Dirk will be one too.


    BTW, I agree that Timmy was our best player during most of 2007 due to all that he gives us, but Tony did deserve the 2007 Finals MVP without a doubt.

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    are you thinking Nash? Or Marbury?
    i don't want to dwell into mark cuban's mind longer than necessary. bad for the health. you can find some sick in there like paying george the full MLE and trading a very good young point guard for jason kidd or joining a dance compe ion while your team is rotting away. gives me the shivers.

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    Spurs 2nd fewest turnovers in a 2OT game since 1970.

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    i don't want to dwell into mark cuban's mind longer than necessary. bad for the health. you can find some sick in there like paying george the full MLE and trading a very good young point guard for jason kidd or joining a dance compe ion while your team is rotting away. gives me the shivers.

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    i don't want to dwell into mark cuban's mind longer than necessary. bad for the health. you can find some sick in there like paying george the full MLE and trading a very good young point guard for jason kidd or joining a dance compe ion while your team is rotting away. gives me the shivers.
    that's pretty funny, kababayan!

    D.George has some explaining to do about tonight, he sucked big time...

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    Thats the SPURS of old i remember, an offensive display matched by Dallas till the very end.

    With of course the better team kicking ass!!

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    Good job Spurs. Just went out there and took care of business. Reason Dallas lost: JJ Barea is trying to be someone he isn't. He may be making a few plays here and there lately, getting a couple of shots to go down, but in a big game like this he's trying to be the star. Some players think they can become a Kobe overnight. Nope.

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    That Barrea has is developing into a rather nice replacement for Devin Harris, just when I thought that trade was a total wash. Great win, and now the guys have to run with a young Hawks team tomorrow night, LOL.
    Next SPURS mavs game barea will score 10 points or less

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    Good job Spurs. Just went out there and took care of business. Reason Dallas lost: JJ Barea is trying to be someone he isn't. He may be making a few plays here and there lately, getting a couple of shots to go down, but in a big game like this he's trying to be the star. Some players think they can become a Kobe overnight. Nope.
    Ya know, thats one of the more halfway decent comments I've seen this clown make.

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    That game was so good last night I look forward to the next one.

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