I'm not saying, he didn't get his ass kicked but when a doctor is asking you questions to see if you have a concussion, you are not being allowed to come back out to fight. He shook his head NO than finally yes, in agreement only after, the ref, his trainer and doctor all said, "It's enough" all i'm saying..
Same thing happened when Gatti fought Mayweather and he was a flat out warrior..
Yup, I think Oscar trying to make weight at 35 really ed him up. He had no legs and speed since the begining of the fight, because he looked like an anorexic school girl. Pacman had all the energy and you could tell he had been eating good and getting his rest. Oscar has probably been starving himself for weeks now leading up to the fight.
It's one thing if DLH was actually throwing punches and going out on his shield in the 7th and 8th rounds, then refs and corner stopped the fight for him...That didn't happen, he quit inside the ring and basically covered up like a little girl in the corner the last 2 rounds. That is quitting to me, regardless of what the doctor and trainer said inbetween rounds...
He just had nothing at all in the tank after like RD 3. When he was in the corner getting beat up in spurts, i think he literally had nothing left to throw on offense. They just weren't going to let him go back out and take more damage, like i said it happened to Gatti when he fought Floyd.. Oscar put up a brave front with his words about the weight but there is no way he felt great coming into that fight. You don't have a great camp and then come out, lifeless and getting abused like a punching bag. Oscar had 2 wars with Mosley and compe ive fights with Floyd Mayweather and Bernard Hopkins for god's sake. Manny's great but Oscar never looked so bad in his whole career..
Props to Manny, he got a huge payday which he deserves, now hopefully he will fight an elite fighter in their prime it's been a while since that's happened.
As for Oscar hopefully he retires and stays retired and stops taking up valuable and limited TV dates.
Juan Manual Marquez may not be at the height of his prime but he was still an elite fighter when Manny beat him this year...
This is one of the main negatives of boxing in my mind. I hate the fact that some "elite" boxer can go in their and go through the motions and walk out with a fatter paycheck than the winner. that.
They need to make it a lopsided purse. If you lose, your hospital bills get paid plus maybe $50,000.00, if you win you take home the big bucks. I guarantee you if it was that way Oscar (who I hate) would not have quit so easily.
I disagree...I think he could have thrown some punches and at least given the impression he was trying. I honestly think he was covering up and not fighting back in hopes of the referree stopping the fight so he could say he didn't quit and the fight was stopped injustly. Had he truly wanted to go out on his shield and prove he was trying, he would have thrown some punches and showed at least a little agression.
I don't count the Marquez victories as wins. I know on paper he won but in my opinion I saw them more as draws no clear cut winner.
tell JMM to get his ass off the canvas and maybe he'll win.
Anyways..i dont think DLH is an all-time great. Good boxer, good champion, but i just dont see any quality wins but maybe Vargas and Quartey. He just didnt dominate the other big fights.
I see everyone is destroying Oscar and i am all alone here and no offense dude, but this is a very unfair and biased statement you just made. Oscar has been in wars and not backed down at all. Vargas had him in trouble and he came back to KO him. Mosley the first fight was back and forth non-stop, he never backed down. Quartey, Oscar needed a huge 12th rd to pull it out, got a knockdown and won the decision. He even hung in with Floyd in the late RDS when he was getting pot shotted like crazy and the fight had gotten away from him. I'm sorry but to say, he wanted to quit is not a fair assesment of the man's career and his heart as a champion. The biggest mistake he ever made (by his own admission) was cruising the last 3 rds against o, thanks mainly to his corner wrongly convincing him he had a huge lead on the scorecards and he never lost a fight again because of that mistake. The weight loss was a huge factor, when he only bulked back up to 147, everyone knew it. He had no energy most of the fight, he tried but as Freddie Roach said Oscar can't "Pull the trigger anymore" You have to look at this man's career as a whole, not just one fight.. Nobody ever saw that Oscar the other night and it wasn't just Manny that did it to him..
Well almost nobody dominates big fights, look at Sugar Ray, he beat Hearns thanks in part to a bad ref stoppage, he was trailing on all 3 scorecards at the time. Won an insanely controversial fight with Hagler. Got a draw in another controversial fight with Hearns in the rematch (Ray admits he lost that fight).. Oscar for his part got screwed in 2 of his big fights, Mosley 2 and Trinidad..
I've seen every major fight of DLH's career...I even saw him in person when he beat Charpentier in El Paso. I was a huge Oscar fan during his heyday and even was able to look past that debacle against Trinidad to support him...All that said, I still think he quit...we'll just have to agree to disagree on this.
ok..ill make it simple..if not "dominate"..atleast win.
Post fight conference: Hopkins vs Pacman at 170! lol
So what do you say for losses in extremely controversial fashion?? Because there are about a thousand of them in boxing history.. Oscar got the raw end of a few of them, Ray got the better end of a few, see my point??
ok...quick question. Is Oscar an all time great?
He is a HOF'er but I don't put him in the same category as Ali, JCC, Joe Louis, Sugar Ray Robinson, Leonard...
You talking about the 1st fight where he got knocked down 3 times in the first round and then dominated for 11 rounds.
In my opinion he is yes, but i guess it depends on your defintion of all time great. He is for sure one of the best fighters in his era. He is an Olympic Gold Medalist, who defeated seventeen world champions and won ten world les in six different weight classes. I've already gone over my take on some of his mega fights that didn't go his way. For me there is so much controversy throughout boxing history, some of these legacies i find hard to gauge.. For example nobody is ever going to convince me Sugar Ray beat Hagler, that's not the fight i saw..
Oscar demolished JCC twice and no i don't believe any version of JCC, beats Oscar, he was no match for Oscar's skill..
JCC in his mid to late 20's I think beats Oscar in his prime although I think it would have been a great fight...
once again..tell him to get his ass off the canvas and maybe he'll win the close fights.
No sense in arguing you're obviously one of those PacManiacs who thinks he would KO Lennox Lewis in his prime.
Laters
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