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chump has that inside scoop.
so you can speculate and i'm simply anxious. i see.
chump has that inside scoop.
it may be just a big case of good ol' chicago misspokedness
I gave a possible scenario. You guys sure get butthurt when the speculation doesn't reflect your dreams of chaos in the United States government.
Chump has a scoop alright.
So, did Obama meet with Blogojevich on November 5th or not?
Did Axelrod misspeak or not?
Did Obama lie yesterday or not?
Inquiring minds want to know.
I don't have Obama's itinerary. I'm sure that would have been easy enough fo Fitzgerald to check were it relevant. Doesn't look like it is.Chump has a scoop alright.
So, did Obama meet with Blogojevich on November 5th or not?
Did Axelrod misspeak or not?
Did Obama lie yesterday or not?
Inquiring minds want to know.
It's clear that Obama wasn't going to give Blogojevich anything, so it matters little.
Now Yoni, what do you personally think Obama's involvement is.
No cop outs.
Rational minds want to know.
and if the meeting happened, Obama is guilty of what?
Well, did he not say -- just yesterday -- that he had not spoken to the Governor about his vacant seat?
you give a scenario and i'm butt hurt. i see.
...and chaos in the united states government? senate seats are being sold. we're about to nationalize the auto industry...........................
so he's guilty of lying to the press? or is he guilty of failing to keep his appointment with the governor? impeach now!!! great point, neoducks.
Except senate seats aren't being sold (offered, but no takers that I have seen yet) and the auto industry isn't being nationalized.
Illinois politics is corrupt PERIOD! Obama is a Illinois politician. 1 +1 = 2. I think this is the 3rd Governer arrested from the great state of Illinois. So far Obamas big splash since elected is a playoff for college football. Pathetic
to America for a great choice for President!
Sing like a bird about what?
That's the dumbest mother ing thing I've ever heard. People from West TX and Oklahoma are dumb white trash PERIOD! You are from West Texas or Oklahoma 1+1=2, so you must be a ing idiot piece of white trash.Illinois politics is corrupt PERIOD! Obama is a Illinois politician. 1 +1 = 2. I think this is the 3rd Governer arrested from the great state of Illinois. So far Obamas big splash since elected is a playoff for college football. Pathetic
HAHAHA. I from New York...... Dumbest thing you ever heard. HAHAHAHAHAHA
I'll change teams again for the ignorant bigots like yourself. What a moron! Walk before you run little man.
"It's an ongoing investigation," Obama said. "I think it would be inappropriate for me to ... remark on the situation beyond the facts that I know."
He is our President. He knows the facts!
Oh the irony... You do realize that I was just mocking what you originally wrote, son? It doesn't really matter where your from, nor do I care, you ing bot. I was trying to point out that you are literally and ridiculously willing to indict Obama, based on sweepingly huge assumptions about a geographical location. And then you call me a bigot. Suck deez nuts you ing ass clown.
Eh, that was a lawyer's response. Ultimately, it's probably a good idea to not say anything that might be cited by Blagojevich's lawyers as an undue influence on potential jurors.
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If so, why?
Did he? I don't know.
Can't impeach him until he's in office. I think he's already resigned his Senate seat. Right now, he's Joe Citizen.
So Yoni's great hope is that Obama never takes office due to an arrest and conviction over federal corruption charges that will occur in less than a month.
Nothing has been established regarding Obama's involvement, one way or another. It's stupid for anyone to make accusations orto make the case for exonerating Obama. It's way too early.
Just because the Governor said "for nothing" and " him" doesn't mean he wasn't presently involved in negotiations with Obama's people. Obviously, a rational person wants to get something for free, or for as cheaply as possible. I wouldn't be surprised if some kind of negotiation was still in the preliminary stages, and that some of Obama's people were just playing hard ball, flexing their muscles, awaiting the Governor's counter-offer. In that case, Obama could still be innocent.
At the same time, the mere fact that the Governor was improperly trying to get money in exchange for appointing Obama's replacement doesn't mean Obama or his people did anything wrong. They could have been clueless about it all--though I do think Obama's being dishonest about whether or not he's discussed his replacement with the Governor. But that kind of dishonesty is meaningless, really. That's why has someone like David Axelrod, to throw under the bus in these kinds of situations.
Presumably Obama knew before election day that his seat would have to be vacated if he won. So this is something the Governor and Obama had to have been thinking about for several months. Once it became clear that Obama was going to win the Democratic nomination, there should have been serious plans for appointing his replacement. So, at what point did the Governor start with his "show me the money" routine? Who knew about it and when? And when did they report it to the authorities? Who knew about the corrupting and didn't report it to the authorities? These are the important questions. Would I be surprised if there's bad behavior in Obama's camp? No. But I'll wait patiently for the results of the investigation.
This is directly from the criminal complaint: (PDF) that details several conversations caught on a federal wiretap:
"Change to Win" is a labor NGO that the governor was interested in heading up. In order to get that job, Blagojevich had to approach the head of the powerful Service Employees International Union (SEIU) Andy Stern. The Governor was willing to name a candidate who would be little more than a union toady in order to secure that position. And he was asking "Advisor B" (likely, Emanuel) to make it happen.
There is speculation that "Advisor B" is Rahm Emanuel.
Last edited by Yonivore; 12-10-2008 at 03:32 PM. Reason: I linked the press release instead of the complaint -- fixed.
The wiretaps began on October 22.
Fitzgerald said there is no evidence Obama was aware of anything that was going on.
What investigation? Obama's not being investigated for anything. And in the Blagojevich investigation the lead prosecutor has already said that the investigation contains "no allegations" about Obama. So while I applaud your shrewd wait and see approach, there is nothing to be waiting for. The cards are on the table at this point.
A local Fox News station reported that Emanuel blew the whistle on Blagojevich.This is directly from the criminal complaint: (PDF) that details several conversations caught on a federal wiretap:
"Change to Win" is a labor NGO that the governor was interested in heading up. In order to get that job, Blagojevich had to approach the head of the powerful Service Employees International Union (SEIU) Andy Stern. The Governor was willing to name a candidate who would be little more than a union toady in order to secure that position. And he was asking "Advisor B" (likely, Emanuel) to make it happen.
There is speculation that "Advisor B" is Rahm Emanuel.
Are you ever going to say what you think Obama's involvement is?
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