Cardinals acquire Khalil Greene from Padres

[T Park]

For a team that acknowledged it had a PED problem due to the proximity to steroids in Tijuana. Since that season, Greene has shown no real likelihood of duplicating that feat. Hmm, I wonder why?

There are guys who have been entirely out of baseball two years after posting numbers like that.

It's only a good trade because the alternatives were worse. It wasn't a good trade in an absolute sense.

So whys Adrian Gonzalez still hitting well?

Green had an off year then got hurt in July.


Talk about reaching to hate on a Cardinal.

[Reggie Miller]

So whys Adrian Gonzalez still hitting well?

Green had an off year then got hurt in July.


Talk about reaching to hate on a Cardinal.

Talk about deluding yourself because your team picks a guy up...

First off, Greene HAS NEVER HAD a 30 HR, 100 RBI season. Nice try to prop up your rose-tinted worldview with complete bull . 27 HR and 97 RBI was close, but no cigar. Even then, Greene's 2007 season was an anomaly.

Again, a one year power anomaly probably indicates either:
1) An inexplicable, random anomaly; or
2) PED use, since discontinued.
Couple this with being on one of the teams to acknowledge that it had a serious PED problem. I hope for his sake he didn't take steroids in 2007.

[sarcasm]I apologize. Clearly, Greene will be the greatest St. Louis SS since Ozzie Smith. All hail the conquering whitey! [/sarcasm]

[K-State Spur]

For a team that acknowledged it had a PED problem due to the proximity to steroids in Tijuana. Since that season, Greene has shown no real likelihood of duplicating that feat. Hmm, I wonder why?

There are guys who have been entirely out of baseball two years after posting numbers like that.

It's only a good trade because the alternatives were worse. It wasn't a good trade in an absolute sense.

it's possible, but there were anomalous power surges before the PED era as well. davey johnson hit 43 HRs in 1973, his next highest was 18.

so it's not really fair to just make that blanket assumption. greene did post some nice doubles totals in his first 2 season, and (historically) young guys who hit doubles often develop some level of power later.

Personally, I think the Cards will get 15ish HRs with an OPS around .680-.700. If they feel that's an upgrade over Izturis - more power to them. With the drop-off in defense (even if it's not substantial) - I'm not so sure. (and if they hit him in front of Pujols, Albert will set a career low for RBIs.)

For $5 million more than Izturis is making this year - I wouldn't have done it. But Greene does have the higher ceiling of the two, no doubt about that.

[Reggie Miller]

it's possible, but there were anomalous power surges before the PED era as well. davey johnson hit 43 HRs in 1973, his next highest was 18.

so it's not really fair to just make that blanket assumption. greene did post some nice doubles totals in his first 2 season, and (historically) young guys who hit doubles often develop some level of power later.

Personally, I think the Cards will get 15ish HRs with an OPS around .680-.700. If they feel that's an upgrade over Izturis - more power to them. With the drop-off in defense (even if it's not substantial) - I'm not so sure. (and if they hit him in front of Pujols, Albert will set a career low for RBIs.)

For $5 million more than Izturis is making this year - I wouldn't have done it. But Greene does have the higher ceiling of the two, no doubt about that.

A couple of quick points.

As I pointed out above, there are random power surges. I hope for his own sake and health that Greene never took PEDs.

My point was quite simple. It may be more realistic to think that Greene will never duplicate his 2007 season, rather than thinking 2008 was some sort of total aberration...

Like I said, it may not have been a bad deal in light of what was available, but signing Greene doesn't exacty equate to more wins in 2009.

[T Park]

it's possible, but there were anomalous power surges before the PED era as well. davey johnson hit 43 HRs in 1973, his next highest was 18.

so it's not really fair to just make that blanket assumption. greene did post some nice doubles totals in his first 2 season, and (historically) young guys who hit doubles often develop some level of power later.

Personally, I think the Cards will get 15ish HRs with an OPS around .680-.700. If they feel that's an upgrade over Izturis - more power to them. With the drop-off in defense (even if it's not substantial) - I'm not so sure. (and if they hit him in front of Pujols, Albert will set a career low for RBIs.)

For $5 million more than Izturis is making this year - I wouldn't have done it. But Greene does have the higher ceiling of the two, no doubt about that.

Izturis couldn't hit his way out of a damn paper bag.

Green will hit in the 6th or 7th spot, the top two spots is reserved for Rasmus and either Kennedy or Schumacher.

Green's defense also won't be a significant drop either, hes a damn good defensive shortstop.

So it was a no brainer getting this guy for free practically, Green I think will have a fresh start, and if he busts his but, he will get a new contract for about a year or two till Tyler Green is ready to come up

[K-State Spur]

Izturis couldn't hit his way out of a damn paper bag...
So it was a no brainer getting this guy for free practically, Green I think will have a fresh start, and if he busts his but, he will get a new contract for about a year or two till Tyler Green is ready to come up

He was better than Greene last year.

And you're not getting him for free - you (not personally) are paying him $9 million. His contract is why the Pads were looking to give him away.

[Reggie Miller]

He was better than Greene last year.

And you're not getting him for free - you (not personally) are paying him $9 million His contract is why the Pads were looking to give him away.

DING-DING!

K-State advances to the bonus round.

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