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    History says it's a huge mistake for him to come out as a redshirt sop re. He's only got the storied legacies of Tommy Maddox and Michael Vick to follow if he chooses that path.

    QB's need at least three years of college playing time. Even Sam "Jesus" Bradford.
    I don't know, he's already got two years of experience playing behind an NFL line. Or at least a line that's on NFL payroll.

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    History says it's a huge mistake for him to come out as a redshirt sop re. He's only got the storied legacies of Tommy Maddox and Michael Vick to follow if he chooses that path.

    QB's need at least three years of college playing time. Even Sam "Jesus" Bradford.
    your examples are Tommy Maddox and Michael Vick?

    you mean if Bradford comes out now, chances are that he will run a dog fighting operation and lose about $100 million in salary and endrosements?

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    The Last Good Sport samikeyp's Avatar
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    your examples are Tommy Maddox and Michael Vick?

    you mean if Bradford comes out now, chances are that he will run a dog fighting operation and lose about $100 million in salary and endrosements?
    Well, a dog fighting/casino operation.


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    adolis is altuve’s father monosylab1k's Avatar
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    your examples are Tommy Maddox and Michael Vick?
    The last two redshirt sop re QB's to enter the draft. Meaning redshirt sop re QB's entering the draft haven't done so well.

    Leave it to a Tech fan to have his head up his ass.

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    Leave it to a Virginia Tech fan to have his head up his ass.
    fixed

    -Mars

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    adolis is altuve’s father monosylab1k's Avatar
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    btw for the record, I don't get why the AP National Champion is considered inferior? It's been done long before the BCS was in existence, and honestly it has more credibility than the BCS ever could muster (probably why the AP took their poll out of the BCS equation a couple years ago).

    And Texas has no chance whatsoever of winning the AP.

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    btw for the record, I don't get why the AP National Champion is considered inferior? It's been done long before the BCS was in existence, and honestly it has more credibility than the BCS ever could muster (probably why the AP took their poll out of the BCS equation a couple years ago).

    And Texas has no chance whatsoever of winning the AP.
    lol. b/c don't actually understand the system...or fail to recognize all its moving parts.

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    btw for the record, I don't get why the AP National Champion is considered inferior? It's been done long before the BCS was in existence, and honestly it has more credibility than the BCS ever could muster (probably why the AP took their poll out of the BCS equation a couple years ago).

    And Texas has no chance whatsoever of winning the AP.
    Does the AP send the best teams in the country to bowl games?

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    I just want a win over OSU.

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    Does the AP send the best teams in the country to bowl games?
    does the bcs work? ...thats what i thought. leave these discussions to the grown ups.

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    The Last Good Sport samikeyp's Avatar
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    does the bcs work? ...thats what i thought. leave these discussions to the grown ups.
    At times yes, at times no.

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    At times yes, at times no.
    then it doesn't really work.

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    The Last Good Sport samikeyp's Avatar
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    then it doesn't really work.
    My point exactly.

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    Technically, the BCS does send the best teams to bowl games. I never asked if the BCS sends the two best teams to the national championship. The relevant rankings for determining who goes to major bowl games are determined by the BCS. Not the AP. The AP is meaningless. That's the point.

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    Technically, the BCS does send the best teams to bowl games. I never asked if the BCS sends the two best teams to the national championship. The relevant rankings for determining who goes to major bowl games are determined by the BCS. Not the AP. The AP is meaningless. That's the point.
    the AP isn't meaningless, and lets me know you don't know what you are talking about. the AP still decides half of the national championship...the coaches poll the other half.

    aside from that, the BCS doesn't even send the best teams to the BCS bowls...it sends most of them.

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    wouldnt matter if ut gets the ap it's all . take conferences winners, get rid of the stupid ass championship game, the rest get decided by record, and establish a cut off. playoffs. the ones that dont get in welcome to football version of the NIT, those ty bowl games.


    sam bradford will be excellent qb

    sincerely,

    any qb in a college spread offense that tried to make it in the nfl


    qb behind a superior line in college, in the nfl that doesnt mean , the dline man are 10x's faster, bigger, and stronger than those dlines in college the crappies nfl team will still get to you on any given sunday. best of the best

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    the AP isn't meaningless, and lets me know you don't know what you are talking about. the AP still decides half of the national championship...the coaches poll the other half.

    aside from that, the BCS doesn't even send the best teams to the BCS bowls...it sends most of them.
    AP doesn't decide . The national championship is decided in the national championship game, which is determined by the BCS. People who point to the AP are people who cry and moan and . USC fans, basically.

    Look, the BCS really sucks, but it's what matters.

    By the way, you said: "the AP still decides half of the national championship...the coaches poll the other half"



    Welcome to the 21st century, kid.
    Last edited by doobs; 12-11-2008 at 12:46 AM.

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    Does the AP send the best teams in the country to bowl games?
    No, and neither does the coaches poll. And before the BCS, all the important conference champions were the ones playing in the top bowl games. Now you've got gots like Hawaii getting in there.

    The BCS is a godawful system, and far worse than the former system in place.

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    By the way, you said: "the AP still decides half of the national championship...the coaches poll the other half"
    In case you didn't know, the BCS doesn't give out any championships. The Coaches Poll is simply obligated to vote whoever wins the BCS le game #1 in their final poll. The AP poll has decided a national champion for way way way longer than the BCS has, and they've done it with far less controversy.

    And if you knew how little coaches gave a about filling out their poll, you wouldn't put any stock into the coaches poll. 90% of those things are filled out by 19 year old interns cuz the coaches don't care.

    The AP Poll realized what a fiasco the BCS was, which is why they had their poll completely removed from the BCS.

    Welcome to reality, kid.

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    AP doesn't decide . The national championship is decided in the national championship game, which is determined by the BCS. People who point to the AP are people who cry and moan and . USC fans, basically.

    Look, the BCS really sucks, but it's what matters.

    By the way, you said: "the AP still decides half of the national championship...the coaches poll the other half"



    Welcome to the 21st century, kid.
    what i said is correct. to be exact i should have said the AP has their winner and the coaches have theirs...but Mono came in and educated you a bit further. you should know about something before you make such claims.

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    AP doesn't decide . The national championship is decided in the national championship game, which is determined by the BCS. People who point to the AP are people who cry and moan and . USC fans, basically.

    Look, the BCS really sucks, but it's what matters.

    By the way, you said: "the AP still decides half of the national championship...the coaches poll the other half"



    Welcome to the 21st century, kid.
    i agree with this message.

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    In case you didn't know, the BCS doesn't give out any championships. The Coaches Poll is simply obligated to vote whoever wins the BCS le game #1 in their final poll. The AP poll has decided a national champion for way way way longer than the BCS has, and they've done it with far less controversy.

    And if you knew how little coaches gave a about filling out their poll, you wouldn't put any stock into the coaches poll. 90% of those things are filled out by 19 year old interns cuz the coaches don't care.

    The AP Poll realized what a fiasco the BCS was, which is why they had their poll completely removed from the BCS.

    Welcome to reality, kid.
    the AP has always been controversial and if it wasn't there would have been no need for the BCS. The AP is a freakin popularity contest of voters who have never seen most of teams play. I bet you forgot about that argument. College football is broken when deciding a national championship, but the BCS is what we have. The AP is irrelevent or minor league at best.

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    The BCS is set up to get the National Champion "right" not any other bowl games.

    the only way that UT wouldve made it to the Big 12 le game was for there not to be a 3 way tie (which is a fault of the big 12 for the tie-breakers).

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    The AP is a freakin popularity contest of voters who have never seen most of teams play.
    Right, because college coaches have so much time on their hands to watch every team play The coaches poll has far less credibility than the AP poll, especially considering almost no coaches actually put any effort into filling out their poll. The only "controversy" with the AP poll is the fact that it disagreed with the coaches poll.

    I'd much rather have members of the media who at least in their job are supposed to follow all the teams making an educated vote, over college coaches who are worried about their own teams and who don't bother wasting time watching every other team play, who simply give their poll to some pimple-faced intern and say "fill this out for me".

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    Right, because college coaches have so much time on their hands to watch every team play The coaches poll has far less credibility than the AP poll, especially considering almost no coaches actually put any effort into filling out their poll. The only "controversy" with the AP poll is the fact that it disagreed with the coaches poll.

    I'd much rather have members of the media who at least in their job are supposed to follow all the teams making an educated vote, over college coaches who are worried about their own teams and who don't bother wasting time watching every other team play, who simply give their poll to some pimple-faced intern and say "fill this out for me".
    both systems are imperfect, but at least one of the systems attempts to have things settled on the field. The AP is 100% of what's wrong with college football and what the BCS attempts, though imperfectly, to eliminate.

    If it wasn't for the BCS USC would have been the NC in '05, but luckily we got to see how the "best team ever" was not even the best team in '05.

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