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Is it really possible to misplay aces when they have kings? Is it really possible to misplay aces or kings for that matter?
Table selection is definitely a very important part of my success, when I walk in to the casino I look for drunks, loose players, and old people. The other night I walked into the Flamingo where I like to play and did not find a suitable table and left to play in a tourney at the Sahara instead. I also have a few dealers that give me a nod if its a good table to sit at sometimes, they know I generally tip very well. Regarding the aces vs kings at the same time not sure of the stats on that but it is extremely rare. Ive been on both ends of that one, usually the money goes all in on the flop.
Heres what I like to do preflop, say I raise first with aces, i then get reraised, I will just call the reraise then check the flop if its not a scary board that is, wait for him to raise then snap his neck off, they usually won't get away from their kings especially if its an overpair and then you stack them.
Is it really possible to misplay aces when they have kings? Is it really possible to misplay aces or kings for that matter?
It is post flop...
Yeah if you're super deep and have an excellent read. At a 1-2 table Aces play themselves. You get your stack in ASAP and you live with the results. Its impossible to misplay them.
I doubt anyone at Heath's tables is 100bb deep for the most part, must less any amount to where you'd actually have to decide.
EDIT - actually it is possible to misplay them - you could fold them.
Last edited by MannyIsGod; 12-10-2008 at 04:15 PM.
AA raised 10 preflop acting ahead of me. I reraised all in, but at that time i only had 56 chips. Knew i could get snapped off by AA, figured the odds were very slim my KKs were vs AA on the same hand. Oh well, i got snapped.
I would not do that with a huge stack vs huge stack. Was kinda bored, acquiring hours for a freeroll coming up in Dec. Similiar theme Heath, get tired/bored and the decisionmaking skills go down.
Anywho great idea on tipping the dealers well and they in turn will give the "nod" as to where the fish are. Excellent.
Manuel, Heath, Ruff when you draw low pocket pairs and do not set on the flop, how much do you pay to see the turn? River? I know thats a real open ended question i just mean in general. Early on the same night i did not chase a set twice. Both times would have hit big vs Loosey Goosey with his pair and Loosey2 chasing his 4 flopped flush. However i would have had to fork out to get my set. Not huge, but enough that i let the odds push me out. After that went card dead. Thus i ask.....
I'm speaking more in terms of tournament play, I don't play alot of cash games. If I have AA and slow play preflop with several callers, then see alot of scare cards on the flop (straight or flush combos), which is followed by tons of agression by the other players...I seriously consider letting my aces go instead of trying to draw against a possibly made hand. It's rare I know, but happens...
Depends on the bankroll to me but I rarely "chase" sets post flop, the percentages are just too low if overcards are on the board...
Actually in the $1 $2 NL most people buy in for $200 or $300(max) casual players buy in for $100 those guys are usually easy to bully, if they come out raising guess what? they have a hand and u fold.
I will buy in for $200 most times feel the table out for a good hour or so if i get down to $100 i bump up to $300, if there are several deep stacks at the table I willl buy in for the max, if theres a huge stack and he look sleepy or drunk I'll buy in for the max.
People misplay aces all the time, they try to slowplay them with scary boards post flop. I had a lady who had pocket aces I had KJ on the button. I had raised to $12 preflop, she smooth calls, flop comes queen 10 8, she throws out a 15 bet, I call, turn is blank, she bets $20 I call, river is guess what a 9, she then tries to drop the "hammer" with a $40 bet, I reraise her all in for another $80 and stack her with my straight.
For the most part I will play aces very straight forward however if there are one or two loose players who act after me I may limp in in hopes of a raise and a reraise, sometimes they try to pop me again and I'll snap their neck off. Occasionally this backfires and they limp behind and get to see a flop cheaply and possibly outflop me.
Man I take it back, it is possible to misplay aces. Slowplaying preflop with lots of callers is usually pretty bad.
Yeah, I'm not folding on any flop with aces in a 100bb deep game. If someone has a set then they're getting my entire stack. By the turn and river I should have too much in the pot to fold anyway if I've done my job right.
Fabbs you worry way too much about being outdraw and focus on that. I promise you if you're not winning at poker it has nothing to do with KK/AA preflop or people hitting other types of coolers on you. There are probably leaks in your game where you lose 15BB here and 10BB there which hurts you more in the end than any one bad beat.
I got sucked in when I should be writing. Damn you, Heath!! :shakes fist:
I haven't played in like a week so I'm kinda jonesin. I had a really really really bad November so I decided to go on "vacation" so I wouldn't press so hard. I'll be back at it this weekend though.
Same here. Only caveat is if it flops mid-low and you can bluff people that you have the overpair (acting late).
As for AAs, I want it all in pre-flop if at all possible. Then, no matter what the outcome, I did the right thing. An annoying number of people in 200 buy-in games are chasing mid and low pairs to big pre-flop raises and hitting their sets, but at least I played it right!
AA vs KK - seen it many, many times. On the worst poker day I've ever had (in Vegas on my last trip to the US), I had KK beaten 3 times by AA all-in pre flop, and JJ flop J42 rainbow flop, all in after flop, beaten by AJ (yup, runner runner AA) on the bubble of a tournament. That was not a fun day.
Agreed...if I'm in early position, I will usually make a healthy bet to protect my bullets and push it all in if played back at. My scenario was not how I play aces now, just an example of what I have seen and did early on before I got burned 1 too many times...
Actually I think playing them slowly in late position is far worse than in EP (although playing them slow in EP is really really bad at these stackes - especially when playing with passive players)
In LP - I'm raising a LOT of hands and I'm 3 betting a large range of hands as well. Playing slow in late position just murders the advantages of this style and is usually bad even if you play less aggressivly (and if you're doing this you're leaving money on table - LP = aggression for every winning player).
The only time I'll do something different is when I'm playing against a person I know who loves to spew a lot post flop or if I've been playing very bluffy on the flop but those are very specific cir stances.
This advice is probably great for cash games but I haven't seen it work very well in tournament play, especially in high # of player tournaments (like I usually play). This type of agression early on is usually a quick way to be sent out, it's more for later in the tournament when stacks get healthier and more players are s ing up waiting for the money...
Yeah I don't know. I suck at donkaments.
Ahh, how every session should start.
Small blind.
Flopped a straight with straight flush potential.
Shoved in 20, one caller who flopped two pair Aces over.
Turn rag no help to either. I jammed all in, he called.
River no help to him.
100 in, 200 back 1st hand.
Also dealt by fine assed polynesian gal and i sat in chair 10.
Finally resumed playing cash games after a holiday hiatus and I picked right up where I left off. $1 $2NL bought in for $300 after 10.5 hours of play I walked with $1045 No BS.
I had pocket aces 4 times in that stretch all four times i flopped trips it was unbelievable. I also had queens twice that flopped trips. Needless to say a monkey could play my cards, i did suffer a bad beat or two but nothing to bad. I was stuck $260 at one point and grinded my way back up to $1100 plus at one point, when i realized i was getting too hungry and tired I got my ass up.
By the way thats 6 straight sessions leaving up $200 or more and 7 of 8 sessions doing the same.
I just pulled a 19 hour poker session at the flamingo. I won $487 in cash games and I chopped the morning poker tournament for $500 (my share)
Tell me I must be on to something......
KK vs QQ all in preflop sucked out on by a river Queen. %$#@$ 90 bucks cash game.
Flopped trip 666, farking straight chasing bingo suck gets turn and river to give him runner runner straight. Fark! I hate suck outs!! Okay this was only a $15 tourney entry fee but still.
Heath you are on an unreal roll. are you still playing at the drunken tourist fishy tables?
how many pills you pop that night?
Just clocked in 14 hours left up $604. Up over $1200 for the week. Up over $4200 for the month. Not bad for a side job.
Plust I've logged in over $200 in comps to spend on food, drinks, rooms etc.
picked up a check last friday for 325, about 25 hours for the week. went to the other job and picked up another check for about 280. made about 1500 over the last week and a half. not bad for a job. i'll keep you updated.
hate to intterupt, but i am in a free contest that was for the weeks of the nfl playoffs at betjamaica.com, and I got a chance to win 2k or more on superbowl sunday. not too bad for a free contest.
oi heath or any gamblers out there
do you guys watch chinese/hk movies? like chow yun fats god of gamblers 1+2+3, or saint of gamblers 1.....
i swear all the asians who have seen it, act like they are king of gamblers with the slick hairstyle and chocolate, walking into the casinos with the tune of the final countdown in there heads....hahahahahha
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