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What do you think he has done that is dirty?
I'll do a Chump. Look it up you lazy ass.
What do you think he has done that is dirty?
I've read quite a bit about the Rezko situation, but I haven't seen anything that could even potentially bring Obama down.I'll do a Chump. Look it up you lazy ass.
What do you think is there that could?
you'd think he woulda already been his kryptonite. Rezko has been around for a while now.
I hope you're right.
brutal logic. see watergate..
I thought Obama was a s my Chicago politician all along...why should my opinion change just because he won the election; particularly now that an investigation that touches so many in his inner circle is heating up.
1) I haven't accused Obama of any specific crime; however, I do believe there may be something to the Rezko lot sale and Mic e's appointment to that board. We'll see.
2) My inclination has always been to believe he's a dirty politician, I don't have to give him the benefit of the doubt and I certainly don't have to consider him innocent until proven guilty. I think he'll eventually be implicated in some crime -- I never said it would be directly related to the sale of his vacant Senate seat. Although, you have to wonder, a) why would he lie about not talking to the Governor about his replacement or b) why wouldn't the president-elect visit with the governor of his state about his replacement? I think he did lie because I futher think it's unlikely the President-elect wouldn't want to at least discuss what the Governor had in mind for his replacement. To me, that defies logic.
3) You guys go on defending him and I'll go on believing he'll eventually be revealed for the s bag I think he is. I do think the dirt meter is going to move a lot further in the direction of him being guilty of something than of him not being guilty of something before this is all over but, I'm not so naive as to think it'll be a show stopper for him.
4) I believe this sets the stage for 4 years of Clintonesque scandalgate crap. Get ready.
Dude... the Watergate break-in happened three years into Nixon's presidency.
how is it brutal logic? seems like rezko coulda brought down obama well before the election if he was looking for leniency.
history lesson guys. what was the length of time from the break-in to the the time Nixon was fingered?
really, seems like leniency would come from Obama. anyways, in this case I hope the democrat team is right.
birds of a feather.
I meant leniency from the prosecutors and judge that put him in prison. If he was looking to sing about Obama....why wait till after he's convicted, sentenced, and sitting in prison? Most sing to avoid that whole mess.
Here's a scenario that would make quite a bit of sense.I think he did lie because I futher think it's unlikely the President-elect wouldn't want to at least discuss what the Governor had in mind for his replacement. To me, that defies logic.
1) Blagojevich lets one of Obama's people know that the senate seat is for sale.
2) Obama's person contacts the FBI or US Attorney in October.
3) Obama wins election.
4) Obama's person who tipped off the feds tells Obama to hold off on serious talks with Blagojevich about filling the senate seat -- maybe letting him in on the investigation, maybe not.
5) Wiretap works, case made, charges brought.
Uh... within hours they had linkage between The Campaign to Re-Elect Richard Nixon and money that the burglars received. Within two short years and a supreme court battle the case was fully investigated, he was tried, convicted and out of office. You really need to watch All the President's Men or something.
And either way. It's a ridiculous comparison. Watergate wasn't by any stretch imaginable something from Nixon's distant past that hung around to haunt him. It was a crime that took place while he was in office and almost immediately had linkage to his administration. All things told it was a devastatingly immense, blatant and precipitously fast scandal, investigation and conviction. Nothing like Rezko whatsoever.
Nixon was not involved in the planning or execution of the break-in itself.
I still don't know what people think Obama could have done here or in the Resko situation that would get him out of office.
His problems go way beyond his land deal with Obama. Selling out Obama wasn't going to do anything for him. Plus, Obama is protected in that part of the woods. This is what's fishy about the land transaction.
A doctor listed a house and adjacent parcel of land for 1.95 million. Doctor rejects a couple of offers from Obama, but finally accepts $300k less for just the house because the doctor received a $650k offer for the adjacent parcel of land. Hence, the Doctor made 2.3 million instead of his 1.95 original asking price. btw, the purchases happend on the same day. Come to find out it was Rezko's wife who purchased the adjacent land for 650k.
Now if that's not fishy enough, here is where it gets really interesting. Rezkos sold 1/6 of that adjacent lot to Mic e Obama. Well 1/6 of that lot was worth atleast over $100k, but check this out. 1/6 of that property was enough to disallow anyone from building on the remaining 5/6ths, so that 1/6 had even more value than the $100k and it could be argued that the 1/6th contained all of the value of that property.
Guess how much Mic e Obama paid for that land, $40k.
All of that adds up to something fishy. Also keep in mind Obama already knew of Rezko's legal troubles.
It smells, but maybe Obama had to pretend to be a party to the underground world of politics in order to achieve.
I like Obama now, and think the guy is super freakin smart and is just what this country needs.
Last edited by 2centsworth; 12-11-2008 at 03:44 PM.
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That would be a nice story. I hope it's true.
Clearly, you like Obama and believe in him and think he's an honest, great guy. I think the scenario you posted is one of many possibilities.
Keep in mind Blagojevich was already under investigation for other alleged crimes. So maybe (2) didn't happen. Here's another scenario:
(1) Blagojevich calls Obama's people, asks for money;
(2) Obama's people politely say "no";
(3) Obama's people fail to tell authorities;
(4) Obama is aware of the inappropriate overture, laughs it off;
(5) Story breaks, Obama scrambles, acts like he didn't know anything.
Here's another one:
(1) Blagojevich and Obama have several informal discussions about replacement;
(2) Blagojevich's people and Obama's people have negotiatons for months;
(3) Blagojevich doesn't want to outright ask for money, but drops hints;
(4) Obama's people never offer him money, instead play hard ball, try to get what they want for free;
(5) Some of Obama's people, even including Obama, know what's going on, even if it's unspoken;
(6) Obama's people fail to tell authorities;
(7) Obama laughs it off;
(8) Story breaks, Obama scrambles, acts like he didn't know anything.
This is a real story, man. We need to know more. Even if Obama is innocent, it's important to get the whole story, because it involves him.
he knew about the previous psychiatrist break-in though.
enough to get him out of office, probably not. enough to hurt his credibility, probably so.I still don't know what people think Obama could have done here or in the Resko situation that would get him out of office.
Jim Lindgren over at Volokh Conspiracy has this:
The Blagojevich Timeline: Everything Fits Easily Except Obama's Monday Denial.
It depends on what the meaning of the word "Contact" is.
I don't think he's a great guy. I also don't think he's stupid enough to buy a senate seat from Blagojevich.
Something had to happen to get two wiretap warrants.Keep in mind Blagojevich was already under investigation for other alleged crimes. So maybe (2) didn't happen.
Possible, but given the gravity of the situation, doubtful.Here's another scenario:
(1) Blagojevich calls Obama's people, asks for money;
(2) Obama's people politely say "no";
(3) Obama's people fail to tell authorities;
(4) Obama is aware of the inappropriate overture, laughs it off;
(5) Story breaks, Obama scrambles, acts like he didn't know anything.
Blagojevich doesn't seem to be the hinting kind, and ultimately it's not like a Republican was going to be appointed. Does anyone really believe that Obama would jeopardize his presidency and personal freedom over this?Here's another one:
(1) Blagojevich and Obama have several informal discussions about replacement;
(2) Blagojevich's people and Obama's people have negotiatons for months;
(3) Blagojevich doesn't want to outright ask for money, but drops hints;
(4) Obama's people never offer him money, instead play hard ball, try to get what they want for free;
(5) Some of Obama's people, even including Obama, know what's going on, even if it's unspoken;
(6) Obama's people fail to tell authorities;
(7) Obama laughs it off;
(8) Story breaks, Obama scrambles, acts like he didn't know anything.
Of course we need to know more -- and we will. It's pretty obvious that the investigation isn't over and many people simply can't talk now. I don't pretend to know what actually happened, but I'm not afraid to say what I think like some here.This is a real story, man. We need to know more. Even if Obama is innocent, it's important to get the whole story, because it involves him.
it's such a freakin dirty ordeal I can see Obama just wanting to deny he knew anything about it. It's obvious he didn't go along with the scheme, so why even involve him. I would say the exact same thing. Leave me the alone with this nonsense.
That whole political culture in Chicago is a freakin' dirty ordeal and it doesn't seem to have bothered Obama up to this point. He's palled around with Rezko, Blogojevich, Emanuel, et. al. for years without appearing to hold his nose.
Nah, I think, his eagerness to distance himself from this particular scandal led him to lie in this case, but, in doing so, he's opened himself up to much closer scrutiny over his years of association with these s bags.
And, that's my 2centsworth.
Nixon found out about it a several months after the fact. Ehrlichman signed off on that one.
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