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    this is sickening. instead of getting to the truth, people just take sides based on political persuasion. Obama obviously had zero to do with this scandal. However, Rezko could be his kryptonite
    Yoni's just doing his best to with them and its pretty much working.

    Either that or he really does hate America.

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    I don't believe Obama's administration is going to be mired in scandal, BUT

    I'd gladly take Clintonesque scandals over the scandals of the last 8 years and its not even close. Misplacing a cigar in the oval office has nothing on a bull war, outing CIA agents, torture/military prison mishaps, and US attorney scandals to name a few.

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    I don't believe Obama's administration is going to be mired in scandal, BUT

    I'd gladly take Clintonesque scandals over the scandals of the last 8 years and its not even close. Misplacing a cigar in the oval office has nothing on a bull war, outing CIA agents, torture/military prison mishaps, and US attorney scandals to name a few.
    Why have impeachment proceedings not been initiated? Because it's all bull rhetoric that you're eating up...and have been eating up for 8 years.

    When was the President investigated? When was a special prosecutor appointed to investigate this administration?

    This president has not been accused of a crime by anyone other than partisan hacks and Democrats that hold mock impeachment hearings at their crocheting club in the basement of the Capitol.

    What scandal? The war? Manufactured scandal by the President's critics.

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    This president-elect has not been accused of a crime by anyone other than partisan hacks
    , you don't even have the balls to do that.

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    , you don't even have the balls to do that.
    He was comparing the scandals of Bill Clinton and George Bush. He was responding to someone who said they preferred Clintonesque scandals to the Bush's scandals. That's fairly obvious.

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    He was comparing the scandals of Bill Clinton and George Bush. He was responding to someone who said they preferred Clintonesque scandals to the Bush's scandals. That's fairly obvious.
    He's been spouting innuendo about Obama's being a criminal the entire thread. That's glaringly obvious.

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    Just what is it with Democratic Presidents and land?

    FBI asked questions on Rezko land deal

    The real estate specialist, Kenneth J. Conner, said bank officials replaced an appraisal review he prepared on the property and FBI agents were investigating in late 2007 whether the Rezko-Obama deal was proper.

    “Agents and I talked about payoff, bribe, kickback for a long time, though it took them only a short number of minutes of talking with me while looking at the appraisal to acknowledge what they already seemed to know: The Rezko lot was grossly overvalued,” Mr. Conner told The Washington Times Monday.

    “Rezko paid the asking price on the same day Obama paid $300,000 less than the asking price to the same seller for his adjacent mansion,” he said. “This begs the question of payoff, bribe, kickback.”

    In a wrongful-termination complaint filed last month in the Circuit Court of Cook County, Mr. Conner said his appraisal of the Rezko property, held in Rita Malki Rezko's name, was replaced with a higher one and he was fired when he questioned the do ent.

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    Mr. Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee, has denied being involved in any wrongdoing, although he considered the purchase “a mistake on my part and I regret it.” The deal took place at a time it was widely known that federal authorities were investigating Rezko and several Illinois politicians he had befriended.

    According to his complaint, Mr. Conner reviewed the appraisal of the Rezko property by another firm, Adams Appraisal, which had set the value at $625,000. The complaint said he told his bosses the property had been overvalued by at least $125,000 and that a “reasonable and fair evaluation” should have been no greater than $500,000.

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    Mr. Conner is asking Mr. Obama to make his lower appraisal review of his house public, saying it is relevant to his pending complaint.
    Let's see if Obama stands up for the little guy that was wrongfully fired for trying to do the right thing. Any bets on whether or not Mr. President-elect will produce the the appraisal review?

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    You're acting like a month-old article is news.

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    Obama and Rezko worked together for more than ten years in Illinois politics. If Rezko was as dirty as a jury verdict states and as federal prosecutors believe, how likely is it that anyone employing him was squeaky clean? Their political association lasted over ten years, during the period when Rezko was corrupting state politics. It’s certainly possible that Rezko’s corruption didn’t involve Obama, but to assume it didn’t seems far too incredible by half, especially with the present example of Illinois politics before us now.
    If Rezko’s singing, many politicians are sweating. Obama may be one of them.

    I prefer to wait and see what happens before being dismissive of the possibility.


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    What do you think Obama did?

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    when do you think they'll fill all the holes of this investigation?

    or.......

    are they leaving them opwn to give people like yoni something to cling to?

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    It was already reported that Rahm Emanuel was keeping quiet since the Blagojevich Scandal broke. But, this morning and later this afternoon Rahm Emanuel continued to duck questions about the scandal.

    The Chicago Sun-Times reported:

    President-elect Barack Obama’s chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, refused to take questions from reporters this morning about whether he was the Obama “advisor” named in the criminal complaint against Gov. Rod Blagojevich.

    The complaint states Blagojevich wanted a promise of a high-level appointment or some other reward for Blagojevich in exchange for Blagojevich naming Obama’s friend Valerie Jarrett to replace him in the U.S. Senate.

    Emanuel was uncharacteristically absent from Obama’s news conference this morning. He was spotted two hours later in the lobby of Chicago’s City Hall. He was there to listen to his two children performing in a concert with their school, Anshe Emet.

    A Sun-Times reporter pressed him to comment about whether he was the emissary named in the criminal complaint.

    “You’re wasting your time,” Emanuel said. “I’m not going to say a word to you. I’m going to do this with my children. Dont do that. I’m a father. I have two kids. I’m not going to do it.”

    Asked, “Can’t you do both?” Emanuel replied, “I’m not as capable as you. I’m going to be a father. I’m allowed to be a father,” and he pushed the reporter’s digital recorder away.

    Blagojevch was caught on tape saying that he wanted the Obama advisor in question to know what Blagojevich wanted in exchange for the Jarrett appointment.
    Seriously, didn't it take longer to try and brush off the reporter than it would have to have said "yes" or "no" to the question?

    when do you think they'll fill all the holes of this investigation?

    or.......

    are they leaving them opwn to give people like yoni something to cling to?
    I'm sorry, didn't this just break on Tuesday?

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    Yoni's central thesis is essentially unrelated to this case. He's convinced Obama's guilty of something, but he doesn't know what, especially not as pertaining to the Gov.

    He's basically just irrationally out for blood.

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    i can't believe no one is answering questions about an on going investigation.

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    Seriously, didn't it take longer to try and brush off the reporter than it would have to have said "yes" or "no" to the question?
    If a reporter wants an answer from Rahm they can ask him in a professional venue. And that wouldn't include ambushing him at his kid's school play.

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    Yoni's central thesis is essentially unrelated to this case. He's convinced Obama's guilty of something, but he doesn't know what, especially not as pertaining to the Gov.

    He's basically just irrationally out for blood.
    It's irrational to believe Obama is potentially involved in some illegality after watching Rezko (a close associate and advisor for over 10 years) convicted on over a dozen corruption crimes and Blogojevich (whom Obama worked for, campaigned for, and supported even after it was suspected he was a criminal) be perp marched from his house on public corruption crimes?

    Okay. Call me irrational.

    I think it's irrational to just want to drop the matter and declare Obama innocent at this point.

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    If a reporter wants an answer from Rahm they can ask him in a professional venue. And that wouldn't include ambushing him at his kid's school play.
    Well, it seems Emanuel is making himself scarce in professional venues right not, at a time when answers would be helpful.

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    Seriously, didn't it take longer to try and brush off the reporter than it would have to have said "yes" or "no" to the question?
    Makes perfect sense if he's the guy who blew the whistle on Blagojevich.


    I'm sorry, didn't this just break on Tuesday?
    So why are you posting stories from November 4?

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    i can't believe no one is answering questions about an on going investigation.
    How would his confirming or denying that jeopardize the investigation? Obama didn't have any problem denying it.

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    Well, it seems Emanuel is making himself scarce in professional venues right not, at a time when answers would be helpful.
    To whom?

    You?

    If he's involved in the investigation, public comment from him could definitely hurt a case against Blagojevich. Of course, common sense is not your strong suit.

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    you would never consider him innocent of anything.

    Why didn't they arrest the Clintons for all the people they killed?

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    (Obama) declared that he "had no contact with the governor's office" and "did not speak to the governor" about the process of who should replace him as Senator. (from a press conference on 12-11-08)


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/1..._n_150248.html
    And you believe a politician, and any spin the Huffington Post places on a story?

    Please, stop drinking the Kool-Aid for a few days, get sober...

    Then...

    Consider something. Liberals ignore all the shady people Obama has surrounded himself with over the last 20 years or so, yet believe president Bush is guilty of everything said bad about him.

    What if you placed the same thinking process to Obama...

    Again, I hope he's clean in these matters and makes a good president. I just see both rather unlikely.

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    If a reporter wants an answer from Rahm they can ask him in a professional venue. And that wouldn't include ambushing him at his kid's school play.
    Jesse Jackson didn't have any problem denying his involvement...

    Rev. Jackson: I Played No Role in Blagojevich Scandal, Not an 'Emissary'

    How 'bout Emanuel?

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    Consider something. Liberals ignore all the shady people Obama has surrounded himself with over the last 20 years or so, yet believe president Bush is guilty of everything said bad about him.
    That's not true. There are plenty of liberals on this board and elsewhere who don't believe everything that's "said bad about him". Case in point: The Carlyle Group. People love to smear Bush with contacts like said Carlyle Group or the Bin Ladens; and using those contacts they try to make the case that Iraq and 9/11 were conspiratorially organized by Bush & Co in a joint venture with the Saudi's and Bin Ladens. And equally true, as you well know, there are plenty of liberals who don't buy into said conspiracies.

    Now, regarding Bush's conduct in office, I believe a lot, because I witnessed it. Bush's scandals weren't related to all the shady people who surround him and his family (far more than Obama) but rather, the criminal and negligent conduct of his administration, as pertaining to matters officially within the nation and public's interest. Katrina, Walter Reed, Libby/Plame, NSA wiretapping. Cheney's Energy Task Force, suppression of federal scientific reporting, Abu Ghraib, Halliburton, expansion of the executive branch, Iraq intelligence and Cheney running amok with the CIA, efforts to prevent the 9/11 commission, etc, etc, etc, and on and on and on. None of that has to do with Bush's political connections- it all has to do with shady, manipulative s baggery and crime. It's substantive- something these random and vague allegations about Obama are anything but.

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