Athiest looking for opinions...

[Blake]

Catholics assemble!!!!!!

"Holy atheistic thread, Popeman! what are we going to do?"

"Quick, Alterboy......to the Popemobile!"

[doobs]

I think you are confusing God with intelligent design, which in it's base form is not the same thing.

I see a tower and know from experiece that it was (loosely) intelligently designed. Man has even gotten to the point where we can create other life forms in labs.

I have not, however, witnessed matter springing from non-matter on it's own. I therefore have no problem with an intelligent design theory for the universe.

That's not to say though that means that an all powerful omnipotent, omniscient God is the source of that design.

I've seen some dumbasses create some pretty cool stuff myself.

Wow. I have no idea how you got that from my post. I'm confusing God with intelligent design? What the are you talking about?

My post was about the narrow issue of the existence or non-existence of God. I said that it's a 50/50 proposition. There is absolutely no evidence showing that God does or does not exist. Whereas Bigfoot's existence is theoretically provable--in fact, it should be easily proven--the issue of the existence of God is, and will always be, left to theologians and philosophers, not scientists.

I said nothing about God and evolution. Seriously . . . intelligent design?

[101A]

Catholics assemble!!!!!!

I'm not a Catholic

[Blake]

Wow. I have no idea how you got that from my post. I'm confusing God with intelligent design? What the are you talking about?

My post was about the narrow issue of the existence or non-existence of God. I said that it's a 50/50 proposition. There is absolutely no evidence showing that God does or does not exist. Whereas Bigfoot's existence is theoretically provable--in fact, it should be easily proven--the issue of the existence of God is, and will always be, left to theologians and philosophers, not scientists.

I said nothing about God and evolution. Seriously . . . intelligent design?

sorry man. If you don't get it by now, I'm not gonna waste your time or mine by explaining it.

for further assistance see: flying spaghetti monster

[doobs]

I'm not a Catholic

Episcopalians are the Canadians of Christianity.

[doobs]

sorry man. If you don't get it by now, I'm not gonna waste your time or mine by explaining it.

for further assistance see: flying spaghetti monster

I never said anything about intelligent design. What you wrote in response to my post is a hot, steamy pile of monkey , frankly. It's almost like you can't read English.
for further assistance see: hooked on phonics

I'll repeat: I'm only talking about the narrow issue belief in the existence of God and belief in the non-existence of God. Both are equally irrational beliefs. That's my point. I said nothing about religion. I said nothing about intelligent design. I said nothing about the flying spaghetti monster.

Now tell me: what the did I say that has anything to do with intelligent design or the flying spaghetti monster?

[Blake]

I never said anything about intelligent design. What you wrote in response to my post is a hot, steamy pile of monkey , frankly. It's almost like you can't read English.
for further assistance see: hooked on phonics
I'll repeat: I'm only talking about the narrow issue belief in the existence of God and belief in the non-existence of God. Both are equally irrational beliefs. That's my point. I said nothing about religion. I said nothing about intelligent design. I said nothing about the flying spaghetti monster.

Now tell me: what the did I say that has anything to do with intelligent design or the flying spaghetti monster?

What is your definition of "God"?

I say a powerful, but limited and mentally challenged flying spaghetti monster exists and created the universe. Let's say you don't. By your logic, I still have a 50/50 shot he does because you can't prove he doesn't exist.

Honestly, until you get it, that's the last I'm gonna explain to you.

[I Love Me Some Me]

What is your definition of "God"?

I say a powerful, but limited and mentally challenged flying spaghetti monster exists and created the universe. Let's say you don't. By your logic, I still have a 50/50 shot he does because you can't prove he doesn't exist.

Honestly, until you get it, that's the last I'm gonna explain to you.

You keep talking about the creation of the universe, and doobs isn't talking about that.

[Blake]

You keep talking about the creation of the universe, and doobs isn't talking about that.

when youre making arguments, you have to take into account some "if a=b, then b muct lead to c" type of theorems.

However, if you are trying to say that God exists, but he had nothing to do with the creation of the universe, I'd like to hear that one.

[101A]

Episcopalians are the Canadians of Christianity.

Nope.

& so we won't play denominational roulette:

Methodist.

[LnGrrrR]

Seriously. I mean I can count just as many wars begun by atheists for atheistic reasons as I can wars begun by christians for christian reasons.

Really? I'd be interested to hear about wars started for atheistic reasons.

[The Reckoning]

Nope.

& so we won't play denominational roulette:

Methodist.

Methodists are Baptists who can read.

[Yonivore]

Methodists are Baptists who can read.

And drink.

[8ft.tall.tejano]

Really? I'd be interested to hear about wars started for atheistic reasons.

yeah i was still waiting for someone to reply to my last post about that....

really?
name one war on religion started by an atheist...just one...
the closest thing would be mao's cultural revolution, but that wasn't even an attack on religion as much as on old eastern culture that he felt was keeping his people behind the times...

compare that to....
the crusades, the war on terror, the spanish inquistions, the american revolution(the pilgrims first came here for religious freedom, right?), northern ireland, basically whats going on in the entire continent of africa, indi-paki war, well basically you can name or relate every war in the history of man with the exception of vietnam, korea, some campaigns in ww1 & 2, and the spanish-american war to some religious zealot who thought that his god had a bigger wang and needed to be bowed in front of...i can't wait til we as a race are past this blot in our history...

[Yonivore]

yeah i was still waiting for someone to reply to my last post about that....

really?
name one war on religion started by an atheist...just one...
the closest thing would be mao's cultural revolution, but that wasn't even an attack on religion as much as on old eastern culture that he felt was keeping his people behind the times...

compare that to....
the crusades, the war on terror, the spanish inquistions, the american revolution(the pilgrims first came here for religious freedom, right?), northern ireland, basically whats going on in the entire continent of africa, indi-paki war, well basically you can name or relate every war in the history of man with the exception of vietnam, korea, some campaigns in ww1 & 2, and the spanish-american war to some religious zealot who thought that his god had a bigger wang and needed to be bowed in front of...i can't wait til we as a race are past this blot in our history...

Usually athiests perpetrate genocides against defenseless innocents... Oh, some may have claimed to be religious but, seriously, what God-fearing man could intentionally starve 10's of millions or gas millions?

[8ft.tall.tejano]

Usually athiests perpetrate genocides against defenseless innocents... Oh, some may have claimed to be religious but, seriously, what God-fearing man could intentionally starve 10's of millions or gas millions?

hate to go bill o'theclown on you but........

NAME ONE

just one genocide caused by a known athiest for religous reasons....

i can think of plenty of "god-fearing" men who would do the same...

http://downwiththeinternet.files.wor.../11/hitler.jpg

http://derelictdiorama.files.wordpre...ge-w-bush.jpeg

http://listverse.com/wp-content/uplo...jonestown1.jpg

http://www.theflagbearer.com/alexander_the_great.jpg

....and the list could go on forever.........

[SpursFanFirst]

Methodists are Baptists who can read.

I'm Baptist, and I read that just fine, thank you.

And drink.

Where do people get these ideas that Baptists can't drink or dance or whatever?

I was raised in the Baptist church, and there has never been such rules.
Now, we DO believe you shouldn't drink with the intention of getting drunk...but not drink, period? No.

[Yonivore]

hate to go bill o'theclown on you but........

NAME ONE

just one genocide caused by a known athiest for religous reasons....

i can think of plenty of "god-fearing" men who would do the same...

http://downwiththeinternet.files.wor.../11/hitler.jpg

http://derelictdiorama.files.wordpre...ge-w-bush.jpeg

http://listverse.com/wp-content/uplo...jonestown1.jpg

http://www.theflagbearer.com/alexander_the_great.jpg

....and the list could go on forever.........

I didn't intend to give the impression they were committing genocide for religious reasons.

It's been reported that Joseph Stalin was an ordained Christian priest. I think he's been held responsible for over 50,000,000 deaths.

[Yonivore]

Mao Tse Dong, approximately 65 million dead.

[8ft.tall.tejano]

I didn't intend to give the impression they were committing genocide for religious reasons.

It's been reported that Joseph Stalin was an ordained Christian priest. I think he's been held responsible for over 50,000,000 deaths.

so then you're proving me right.............................thanks yoni...i knew we'd be friends

[8ft.tall.tejano]

Mao Tse Dong, approximately 65 million dead.

cop out...

already brought up mao, and his beef was cultural not religious.....

[Yonivore]

Kind of related, not really, but interesting video over at Reason TV

http://reason.tv/video/show/622.html

I wasn't inferring Mao Tse Dong and Stalin committed genocide for "atheistic" reasons and, to be fair, I think LgrrrR was being sarcastic when he asked that. But, I was offering these two, and there are more -- generally communists and fascists that have probably killed more people than all the religious wars combined...including Muslim-incited wars.

Seriously, it's hard to top the approximately 120 million people that died at the hands of Mao, Stalin, and Hitler.

[Heath Ledger]

From where did the place that matter came from come?

Why does it MATTER to you..?

[8ft.tall.tejano]

Kind of related, not really, but interesting video over at Reason TV

http://reason.tv/video/show/622.html

I wasn't inferring Mao Tse Dong and Stalin committed genocide for "atheistic" reasons and, to be fair, I think LgrrrR was being sarcastic when he asked that. But, I was offering these two, and there are more -- generally communists and fascists that have probably killed more people than all the religious wars combined...including Muslim-incited wars.

Seriously, it's hard to top the approximately 120 million people that died at the hands of Mao, Stalin, and Hitler.

won't lie & say that i watched the video yet...but you already agreed that hitler and stalin were christians, so subtract theirs from the total....i can agree that the chairman was pretty freggin' godless, but still he didn't kill to get the religious element from his society, he wanted what he thought were backwards cultural practices weeded out...

all i was trying to say, is that for all the good that religion provides to those that need that crutch, there is probably a dead person killed in the name of that good...and that goes for any religion...my stance isn't against faith, but dogma and the hate that it breeds...i agree that even a atheistic(sp?) person could probably carry around that same dogma to the same point, however, history has shown that more have killed in the name of some god then opposed to none...............

does that make sense?

[Yonivore]

won't lie & say that i watched the video yet...but you already agreed that hitler and stalin were christians, so subtract theirs from the total....i can agree that the chairman was pretty freggin' godless, but still he didn't kill to get the religious element from his society, he wanted what he thought were backwards cultural practices weeded out...

all i was trying to say, is that for all the good that religion provides to those that need that crutch, there is probably a dead person killed in the name of that good...and that goes for any religion...my stance isn't against faith, but dogma and the hate that it breeds...i agree that even a atheistic(sp?) person could probably carry around that same dogma to the same point, however, history has shown that more have killed in the name of some god then opposed to none...............

does that make sense?

I never claimed they were Christians, they did.