Global Warming devastates Houston

[MannyIsGod]

In short, yes.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Of the 4 years I lived in Houston, it snowed in December in 2 of those years- and that was almost 20 years ago.

well it either snowed today or yesterday and again in 2003.

[E20]

CO2 is killing the oceans, which in its own right may be just as bad as any climate change.

If you look at the phase changes from liquid H20 to gas the ocean without a doubt is the biggest cause of releasing CO2 in the atomsphere.


However, it also as an alleviating effect, so the net CO2 release is downsized.

[Extra Stout]

If you look at the phase changes from liquid H20 to gas the ocean without a doubt is the biggest cause of releasing CO2 in the atomsphere.


However, it also as an alleviating effect, so the net CO2 release is downsized.

Thank you Gov. Palin.

[DarrinS]

In short, yes.

Even Obama will have the good sense not to dump money on this non-issue.

[MannyIsGod]

Well Obama also has the sense not to start threads like this.

I don't get how pointing out possible mistakes of others makes you look like any less of a moron, but feel fre to continue.

[Yonivore]

Well Obama also has the sense not to start threads like this.

Considering the people with whom he's chosen to associate with, worship with, employ and be employed by, over the past 20 years...I'm not so sure that's a true statement.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

........ makes you look like any less of a moron, but feel fre to continue.

oh really. yes feel fre

[DarrinS]

Well Obama also has the sense not to start threads like this.

I don't get how pointing out possible mistakes of others makes you look like any less of a moron, but feel fre to continue.

Wanna buy some carbon credits? I have a printer.

[rascal]

lol at this guy calling others idiot when he in fact is the idiot being controlled by his lovely big government.

Your controlled by conservative talk radio.

[Yonivore]

Wanna buy some carbon credits? I have a printer.

Does it use carbon based toner?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Considering the people with whom he's chosen to associate with, worship with, employ and be employed by, over the past 20 years...I'm not so sure that's a true statement.

Let it go Yoni.. the 'associations' tag didn't work. the only people who are concerned are those who will never support him.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Your controlled by conservative talk radio.

Funny. I listen to talk radio quite a bit and I find it ironic when a caller talks about dems being kool aid drinkers.

[E20]

Thank you Gov. Palin.

LOL I copied that straight out of my chemistry book. So the jokes on you guys not knowing simple phase changes and gas reactions when water evaporates with the atmosphere.

[Extra Stout]

LOL I copied that straight out of my chemistry book. So the jokes on you guys not knowing simple phase changes and gas reactions when water evaporates with the atmosphere.

omg i can copie sentins in colluj tecksbook i so smart i noes evrything

[E20]

LOL I loosely paraphrased so when I meant copied straight out, it was an exagerration. Also don't get mad because I take chemistry classes and try to incorporate what I learn to other areas.

[Extra Stout]

Y' know, the people I talk to, we're just ill about these simple phase changes goin' on in the oceans with the CO2. It's like, it's just some of those gas reactions and water evaporatin', but you got these scientists with their liberal agenda who don't tell you that's it's alleviatin' the CO2 also. And then there's the refraction of the sun's rays in the water, and, you just look at all the coral reefs. But China, China has just this enormous amount of pollution that they're puttin' out, and it's meltin' the ice caps, and that's makin' the CO2 hurt those little shrimp skeletons. But it's got to be all about job creation.

[Extra Stout]

I think I'm going to go read a page out of a cons utional law textbook, make a hilariously incoherent comment, and then lecture FWD about how dumb he is.

[E20]

Y' know, the people I talk to, we're just ill about these simple phase changes goin' on in the oceans with the CO2. It's like, it's just some of those gas reactions and water evaporatin', but you got these scientists with their liberal agenda who don't tell you that's it's alleviating the CO2 also. And then there's the refraction of the sun's rays in the water, and, you just look at all the coral reefs. But China, China has just this enormous amount of pollution that they're puttin' out, and it's meltin' the ice caps, and that's makin' the CO2 hurt those little shrimp skeletons. But it's got to be all about job creation.

So let me summarize the pargraph since you and Pimpo are being an ass about it, maybe this will save me some face and not make me look clueless:

Oceans cover more than 80% of the Earth's surface area and play a major role in CO2 intake, as well as the release of CO2. As much as 90% of the world's CO2 is concentrated in the Oceans, which makes it such a good thermal regulator for the Earth's climate and atmosphere, because it absorbs such a large amount of CO2. When water evaportes from the ocean, the final reactant is not always water vapor, other gaseous molecules as such O2 and H2 in there natural diatomic state are present as well, as well as CO2. Aquatic life also induces the relase of CO2 into the surrounding enviornemtn and eventually into the atmosphere, however plant life and other photosynthezing organisms like phytoplankton and zooplankton also help alleviate CO2 levels inside the oceans because of there metabolic systems. In short the oceans release a good deal of CO2, but also help alleviate CO2 levels because they absorb a larger amount than they release. (Zumdahl and Zumdhal)

That's what I basically meant. Oceans release adn absorb CO2 according to my book. If you disagree write to the Zumdhal family.

[E20]

I think I'm going to go read a page out of a cons utional law textbook, make a hilariously incoherent comment, and then lecture FWD about how dumb he is.

Also taht was never my intention, all I did was state soemthing and you made a snerky comment and I replied back with one. Dont' get butt hurt.

[E20]

Whoops. Doulbe post.

[DarkReign]

Last edited by Extra Stout : Today at 03:35 PM. Reason: Forgot to drop the g on alleviatin' also

[Extra Stout]

CO2 is slightly soluble in water. More precisely, it reacts with water to form H2CO3, aka carbonic acid. The carbonic acid then dissociates to form bicarbonate (HCO3,-) and carbonate (CO3,2-) ions. Which form predominates depends on the pH of the water. At near-neutral or slightly basic pH, the HCO3 form predominates, though some H2CO3 and CO3,2- also exist.

There is always some H2CO3 breaking apart to release CO2 to the atmosphere, and some CO2 combining with H2O to form new H2CO3. When this is stable, the ocean-atmosphere system is in equilibrium.

There is a maximum amount of CO2 that can be dissolved into the ocean at a given temperature. As temperature rises, this maximum solubility goes down a little. Right now, we are still not at this maximum solubility, so when additional CO2 is added to the atmosphere, most of it can dissolve into the ocean. Not all of it does, however, because remember that there is always still some H2CO3 breaking back apart and releasing CO2. What happens is that the equilibrium between the ocean and the atmosphere shifts.

There are effects within the ocean when CO2 is added to the system. Since CO2 and water form carbonic acid, that means acid is being added to the ocean, which means the pH goes down. When the pH goes down a little, it means a few CO3,2- ions turn into HCO3- ions, and a few HCO3- ions turn into H2CO3 molecules. That sounds rather mundane until you realize that a lot of aquatic organisms have exoskeletons made out of calcium carbonate. As pH goes down, a little bit of that exoskeleton turns into calcium bicarbonate and dissolves. So it gets a little harder for creatures like plankton, or mollusks, or lobsters to survive. So the population of plankton declines a little. So, now the creatures that eat plankton have a little less to eat, so now you have a little bit fewer fish, etc.

Also, you get into a negative feedback loop, since in order to grow and to form those exoskeletons in the first place, those plankton pull carbon out of the water. When they die, their carcasses sink to the ocean floor, pulling the carbon away from the interface zone with the atmosphere. When you have fewer plankton, this happens less, so the negative effects of CO2 ac ulation accelerate.

[E20]

CO2 is slightly soluble in water. More precisely, it reacts with water to form H2CO3, aka carbonic acid. The carbonic acid then dissociates to form bicarbonate (HCO3,-) and carbonate (CO3,2-) ions. Which form predominates depends on the pH of the water. At near-neutral or slightly basic pH, the HCO3 form predominates, though some H2CO3 and CO3,2- also exist.

There is always some H2CO3 breaking apart to release CO2 to the atmosphere, and some CO2 combining with H2O to form new H2CO3. When this is stable, the ocean-atmosphere system is in equilibrium.

There is a maximum amount of CO2 that can be dissolved into the ocean at a given temperature. As temperature rises, this maximum solubility goes down a little. Right now, we are still not at this maximum solubility, so when additional CO2 is added to the atmosphere, most of it can dissolve into the ocean. Not all of it does, however, because remember that there is always still some H2CO3 breaking back apart and releasing CO2. What happens is that the equilibrium between the ocean and the atmosphere shifts.

There are effects within the ocean when CO2 is added to the system. Since CO2 and water form carbonic acid, that means acid is being added to the ocean, which means the pH goes down. When the pH goes down a little, it means a few CO3,2- ions turn into HCO3- ions, and a few HCO3- ions turn into H2CO3 molecules. That sounds rather mundane until you realize that a lot of aquatic organisms have exoskeletons made out of calcium carbonate. As pH goes down, a little bit of that exoskeleton turns into calcium bicarbonate and dissolves. So it gets a little harder for creatures like plankton, or mollusks, or lobsters to survive. So the population of plankton declines a little. So, now the creatures that eat plankton have a little less to eat, so now you have a little bit fewer fish, etc.

Also, you get into a negative feedback loop, since in order to grow and to form those exoskeletons in the first place, those plankton pull carbon out of the water. When they die, their carcasses sink to the ocean floor, pulling the carbon away from the interface zone with the atmosphere. When you have fewer plankton, this happens less, so the negative effects of CO2 ac ulation accelerate.

Thanks for the lesson, don't know why you are going so deep into my statement and taking it seriously but whatever. But since carbonic acid is metnioned you can also form carbonic acid when you breath. has something to do with the bohr shift. When the pH of the blood lowers hemoglobin in teh blood rleases CO2 and increases it's affinity for O2 and with the excess CO2, some of it reacts with H20 to form carbonic acid. Then it reverses teh process in teh alveoli back to CO2 and H20.

[Extra Stout]

Thanks for the lesson, don't know why you are going so deep into my statement and taking it seriously but whatever. But since carbonic acid is metnioned you can also form carbonic acid when you breath. has something to do with the bohr shift. When the pH of the blood lowers hemoglobin in teh blood rleases CO2 and increases it's affinity for O2 and with the excess CO2, some of it reacts with H20 to form carbonic acid. Then it reverses teh process in teh alveoli back to CO2 and H20.

i thot u was wantin 2 lern