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Last season or this season asshole?Spurs started 17-3 last season jackass.
Oberto and KT are both > Mihm.
Spurs started 17-3 last season jackass.They're 18-3, best Laker start in decades. How good is your team?
Last season or this season asshole?Spurs started 17-3 last season jackass.
And I think its apparent, that even Oberto's unathletic weak is better than Mihm's nonexistence for some 6-7 seasons now.
Remember when Kareem was working with Mihm?
Oberto was decent before, he sucks right now. Mihm right now is decent.And I think its apparent, that even Oberto's unathletic weak is better than Mihm's nonexistence for some 6-7 seasons now.
Remember when Kareem was working with Mihm?
Fabulous Fabricio's big 3 points and 3 rebounds in 18 minutes per game?
There really isn't much to complain about for LA, honstly. And Allanon, you know better than to feed the trolls. 18-3, I would take that any year. My only problem with the team is having in Odom late in the 4th. And my othe rproblem is that 710 ESPN is gonna take over 570 KLAC's broadcast! WTF! I hate 710!!!
And he's STILL better than MihmOberto was decent before, he sucks right now. Mihm right now is decent.
3 points and 3 rebounds in 18 minutes per game?
Nope.And he's STILL better than Mihm
Chris Mihm is 2.6 points, 1.3 rebounds even in 5 minutes.
Shouldn't you be arranging that "Tank the Season" thread?
Nah, the Lakers are 18-3, no need to tank the season yet.
Oh no. Your needs for better team defense and a better PG/3rd scoring option are too great.
It's Tank:30 in LakerLand.
Oh no, you have me confused me with the Laker fans who are worried.
I'm not worried at all about better team defense and PG/3rd scoring options. The team's only lost 3 games in 1/4 of the season...that's good enough for me.
Just like I don't worry if we get another big man. But it didn't stop you from trolling with your tank the season comments over in the Spurs forum.
That's fine, it's your opinion and I respect that.
It's my opinion that the Spurs don't stand a chance against the Lakers in the first round with the current big men.
I never disputed your belief in your team.
Even if it is fallacy to write off a team that, had it been as rested and healthy as yours was, would have taken at least 3 of the first 5 games in that series.
Oberto and KT were very solid last year.
If they weren't so terribly bad this year, I would not be this down on the Spurs. I mean c'mon, Oberto with 3 pts, 3 rebounds? He was NEVER this bad. KT with 3 points, 3 rebounds in 13 minutes?
The Spurs need 1 other guy besides Duncan. He doesn't have to be great, just solid. Bonner is good right now but I don't know if he can keep it going. And I don't know if he is good enough to guard Pau/Bynum. And if Duncan or Bonner get in foul trouble, it will be hard to find somebody off the bench.
If Bonner goes back to his old ways, it will be very difficult for the Spurs to beat a home seeded Laker team in 7 games.
If Odom keeps this level of play up he will be traded by the All-Star break. His giant expiring contract is something we don't want waste away.
I've been a staunch proponent of bringing in some guys who can help shore up our perimeter defense. I'd love to do a trade with CHI for Hinrich and Nocioni. Hinrich is easily one of the better defensive PG's in the league and he's big enough to guard a lot of SG's too. His shot is respectable, he passes pretty well, just a very solid and consistent player for the most part that would thrive alongside Kobe and in the triangle offense. Nocioni would bring some needed toughness to the team, he's just a downright dirty player that can deliver the hard fouls when needed. And he's a legitimate offensive threat that can't be left open.
I wouldn't describe either Hinrich or Nocioni as mentally weak players, they are just in the wrong system. Odom would probably do much better alongside Rose in their uptempo offense, and even if he doesn't work out he is expiring so CHI takes little risk.
Lamar makes the Lakers better (second only to Kobe Bean Bryant). He's also one of the Lakers best and versatile defenders.
He's a real bargain at $11 million.
Why would they trade him? With his impact on the Lakers, I think the Lakers will re-sign him 8-$10 million a year for 5 years.
Code:2008/2009 Season Lakers +/- Playr +/- PerMin Minutes Kobe 195 0.27 715:00:00 Odom 184 0.34 537:41:00 Fish 158 0.27 579:31:00 PauG 150 0.20 732:28:00 Drew 143 0.23 616:09:00 Trev 128 0.25 505:09:00 Vlad 108 0.25 429:58:00 Farm 74 0.17 425:35:00 Sash 43 0.14 311:37:00
Last edited by Allanon; 12-12-2008 at 02:27 PM.
+/- is the most overrated and useless stat when talking about an individual player's performance. According to your precious stat Fisher is the 3rd best player on our team.
It's not just a scoring/rebounding game. There are the intagibles like leadership, taking charges, playing defense.
+/- is the best way to measure these intangibles into a lump sum of a player's impact on the floor.
Fish is extremely important to the Lakers as he plays the point guard spot.
This is why the NBA finally decided to make +/- an official stat, it's quite accurate as long as you take it as a summary of a player's season, not his +/- in one game.
This is why Odom is always in the game late in the 4th quarter. This is why Phil puts Fish into the game when he needs a last shot or a leader on the floor.
Look at all the good players in the league, they'll all have great +/-. Look at the bad players in the league and you'll see a bad +/-. It's no coincidence.
It's a good thing the Lakers value Lamar more than the fans, otherwise they would have traded him a long time ago. Lamar is too versatile, it is no way we get a player of his talent in a trade. He can play 4 positions and he's a 6'11 player that can handle the pill and set up the offense.
If they did consider trading him, it would have to be for another BIG, not a guard or SF. That does nothing for this team.
A 2-way SF that can defend the perimeter and hit the open 3 would do wonders for this team. Add in a 2-way PG and we would be unstoppable.
That's what Hinrich and Nocioini would bring to this team. Don't think for a second the FO wouldn't turn that down if they could do it.
This is a very good point.
The SF position is pretty well covered. A better backup PG would be good but not at the expense of Odom.
But if you think about it, if the Lakers were to trade Odom, who would be the Backup Center? The Backup Power Forward? Name them.
Having Odom come off the bench to spot Bynum/Gasol is a real luxury. There is no drop-off when Odom comes in, in fact, by the +/- you can see he ups the production.
Josh Powell, Chris Mihm are decent but they're nowhere near the caliber of Lamar.
If you're comfortable with trading Lamar for a SF or PG, then you should get comfortable with seeing Josh Powell or Chris Mihm as the 6th man.
Last edited by Allanon; 12-12-2008 at 05:33 PM.
This is true, but in the playoffs your backup PF's aren't playing huge minutes anyways. I'd rather have a strong starting 5.
The Lakers are the best team in the west, why disrupt that? I'm looking at how we match up against the Celtics and Cavs. Let's be real, against the Celtics we have a glaring weakness. That weakness is matching up with Perkins. He is too strong for Lamar and Gasol. Another SF and Guard wont help us there at all. We have to try and counter that and the only thing that the lakers have available is to try and use Odom to give us an advantage in the paint. Take away Odom and we're toast! A guard for one of our SF's should be the only option not for Lamar. Too bad they couldn't have got Daniels or somebody like that. Another SF is something we definitely do not need. We can get what we want from the combination that we have now.
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