George Walker Bush: Corruption buster

[Winehole23]

By the way, who in March of 2003 believed Saddam Hussein did not have WMD's in Iraq?

Hans Blix and Scott Ritter. UNSCOM's ten year regime of inspections concluded that Saddam neither had WMD's nor was producing them. They were denounced as naive for saying so, but they were right.

[Yonivore]

Hans Blix and Scott Ritter. UNSCOM's ten year regime of inspections concluded that Saddam neither had WMD's nor was producing them. They were denounced as naive for saying so, but they were right.

UNSCOM was kicked out in 1998 and, at the time, UNSCOM said there were tons of chemical weapons known to exist -- in Iraq -- but that had not yet been secured and destroyed. Tons. Where did those go?

Hans Blix and Scott Ritter were tools. Just like those in the German and French governments and at the United Nations who were apparently on the take, trading military equipment and money in exchange for oil profits through the OFF program.

Name a significant world leader (Hans and Scott are not that) or western government who believed Saddam Hussein did not have Weapons of Mass Destruction in March of 2003.

[Winehole23]

UNSCOM was kicked out in 1998 and, at the time, UNSCOM said there were tons of chemical weapons known to exist -- in Iraq -- but that had not yet been secured and destroyed. Tons. Where did those go?

Reviewing the timeline, I'll cede to your restatement, with this proviso. Since when does the lack of evidence prove the conspiracy?

Hans Blix and Scott Ritter were tools. Just like those in the German and French governments and at the United Nations who were apparently on the take, trading military equipment and money in exchange for oil profits through the OFF program.

I suppose this is why Iraq denounced Ritter as a US spy and tried to have him removed from from the inspection team.

Name a significant world leader (Hans and Scott are not that) or western government who believed Saddam Hussein did not have Weapons of Mass Destruction in March of 2003.

The caveats in our own NIE might have been enough to inspire skepticism, had policymakers been willing to read them. At any rate, our own government was too busy stovepiping and cherry-picking the evidence to build a brief for war, to even consider the alternative, which in retrospect, turned out to be right.

[Yonivore]

Reviewing the timeline, I'll cede to your restatement, with this proviso. Since when does the lack of evidence prove the conspiracy?

What conspiracy?

And, as the old maxim states, absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.

I suppose this is why Iraq denounced Ritter as a US spy and tried to have him removed from from the inspection team.

My understanding is that Ritter wasn't always a tool. People change.

The caveats in our own NIE might have been enough to inspire skepticism, had policymakers been willing to read them. At any rate, our own government was too busy stovepiping and cherry-picking the evidence to build a brief for war, to even consider the alternative, which in retrospect, turned out to be right.

Many reasonable people -- not many of which post here -- disagree on what the intelligence said. And, it wasn't black and white, there were dozens of variations on what the intelligence told us.

[Yonivore]

I don't think people argue about whether the intelligence was heterogeneous. I think they accuse the bush admin of "cherry-picking" which intelligence reports they chose to believe.

You call it cherry-picking, I call it making a hard call, but a reasoned judgement, based on the evidence, and with which no other world leader or western government, at the time, disagreed.

But, hey, a world without Saddam is better than a world with Saddam, right!

Yep. And, I would bet if you asked the Iraqis, today, they'd agree.

[Winehole23]

Yep. And, I would bet if you asked the Iraqis, today, they'd agree.

I'll not hold my breath waiting for the expression of gra ude. Iraq was a middle class country five years ago. Now they're a basket case.

Iraq's main ally will be Iran, not the the USA. Unthinkable five years ago. We bear the lion's share of responsibility for collaborating with SCIRI and DAWA.

[Yonivore]

I'll not hold my breath waiting for the expression of gra ude. Iraq was a middle class country five years ago. Now they're a basket case.

The Iraqis have repeated expressed gra ude and the country is not a basket case. They've resumed life; schools, hospitals, government are all working. they've opened amusement parks and go on vacations.

Iraq's main ally will be Iran, not the the USA. Unthinkable five years ago. We bear the lion's share of responsibility for collaborating with SCIRI and DAWA.

Yeah, we'll see. I think we'll have permanent U. S. Military bases in an allied Iraq.

[Winehole23]

The Iraqis have repeated expressed gra ude and the country is not a basket case. They've resumed life; schools, hospitals, government are all working. they've opened amusement parks and go on vacations.

I'll believe it when you take a vacation there, YV.

Yeah, we'll see. I think we'll have permanent U. S. Military bases in an allied Iraq.

Could be. I thought so myself not too long ago. We'll see.

One question: what do you mean by "allied Iraq"?

[Yonivore]

I'll believe it when you take a vacation there, YV.

I can't afford it. Will you send me? But, only if you go to Greece first.

Could be. I thought so myself not too long ago. We'll see.

Yep, we will.

[Winehole23]

I can't afford it. Will you send me?

I'll bet there are enough Spurstalk posters who care enough to send you there. Would you like me to pass the hat around?

[ChumpDumper]

So where are the WMDs that you claimed were an imminent threat to the US, Yoni?

[byrontx]

The Plame incident was a hard call, Yoni?

[clambake]

The Plame incident was a hard call, Yoni?

when you get caught lying about Niger, the logical thing to do is out an agent.

[ElNono]

The Iraqis have repeated expressed gra ude and the country is not a basket case.

Throwing shoes at you and calling you a dog is gra ude?

[Yonivore]

Throwing shoes at you and calling you a dog is gra ude?

The man standing next to the President is an Iraqi and so were the rest of the Iraqi press corp that apologized profusely for the behavior of one.

[ElNono]

The man standing next to the President is an Iraqi and so were the rest of the Iraqi press corp that apologized profusely for the behavior of one.

He had to make a surprise trip and he OBVIOUSLY cannot walk anywhere in Iraq without an army around him. It's like McCain saying he walked in Iraq and everything was fine (when he was wearing a bulletproof vest and had an army around him). That journalist was an exception in that he managed to get in there after the screening the secret service does on everyone attending these places. He was not an exception of how Iraqis feel.

[Anti.Hero]

You are a nobody. You go to Iraq and walk freely without an army.


Those shoe throwing gots can have their country back, Bush brought that near-death experience on himself by starting this pointless war.

Just being redundant to you guys, but I am sick of the middle east.

[ElNono]

You are a nobody. You go to Iraq and walk freely without an army.

Exactly my point. I'll wait for Yoni to show around his American passport at the new amusement parks and report back with how that go...

[Yonivore]

He had to make a surprise trip and he OBVIOUSLY cannot walk anywhere in Iraq without an army around him. It's like McCain saying he walked in Iraq and everything was fine (when he was wearing a bulletproof vest and had an army around him). That journalist was an exception in that he managed to get in there after the screening the secret service does on everyone attending these places. He was not an exception of how Iraqis feel.

If he weren't, there'd be riots in the streets of Baghdad...and, there aren't. Are there Iraqis that hate the U.S.? Sure. Mostly Ba'athists that enjoyed the good life under Saddam Hussein. And, certainly, some who see the war as you do.

From January 2007:

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/01/1...ak-to-america/

Undated:

[ElNono]

From January 2007:

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/01/1...ak-to-america/

Undated:

hotair.com? I bet you get a lot of material from there...
And please, it's not hard to find pictures of protesters of the US invasion too.
To say everything is peachy in Iraq is simply not looking at reality...

[Yonivore]

hotair.com? I bet you get a lot of material from there...

Actually, no. I googled and came up with that interview of a an Iraqi Sheik. Why are you knocking the source? Unless, of course, you're inferring the content is faked.

And please, it's not hard to find pictures of protesters of the US invasion too.

You're right. But, it's just as easy to find Iraqis that are grateful for our liberation of their country -- in spite of the hardships.

To say everything is peachy in Iraq is simply not looking at reality...

Neither is saying it is a shambles -- or, even worse off than under the oppressive thumb of Saddam Hussein.

[Yonivore]

And, now, in addition to the MSM accentuating the negative - we know why it is harder to find positive news, on Iraq, in Google's search engine.

THE END OF OBJECTIVITY AT GOOGLE?

“Google this week admitted that its staff will pick and choose what appears in its search results. It’s a historic statement - and nobody has yet grasped its significance. . . . None of this would matter, if it wasn’t for one other trend: a paralysing loss of confidence in media companies.”

Let's see what Google says...

[ElNono]

Actually, no. I googled and came up with that interview of a an Iraqi Sheik. Why are you knocking the source? Unless, of course, you're inferring the content is faked.

I thought it was a funny name, that's all.

You're right. But, it's just as easy to find Iraqis that are grateful for our liberation of their country -- in spite of the hardships.

We didn't go there to liberate them. We went there to grab their oil. And I'm sure the millions displaced by the war are very thankful of what went down.

Neither is saying it is a shambles -- or, even worse off than under the oppressive thumb of Saddam Hussein.

Oh, really? How many had to flee the country when the war started and even at this point in time? You think all those guys are really happy they lost their houses, family, jobs? Do you have ANY idea of what you're talking about?

[ElNono]

Spurs break... bbl

[ChumpDumper]

And, now, in addition to the MSM accentuating the negative - we know why it is harder to find positive news, on Iraq, in Google's search engine.

THE END OF OBJECTIVITY AT GOOGLE?


Let's see what Google says...

Except that hasn't happened yet, dumbass.

It's astounding how stupid you are.