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That's discrimination.
I'm an advocate for the smoking ban but when your primary business is centered around social drinking and smoking I think its gone too far. Bars and pool halls should be exempt. Possibly bowling alleys but I can see where a bowling alley is more geared twords family fun than a bar or pool hall.
Obviously non-smokers should be able to go out publically without their health threatened by smokers. I just think its counter productive to force it across the board. There have been a handful of restaurants that have gone under here in town because of this. Those restaurants had a strong bar presence and made a bulk of their money off the bar rather than the food. Basically they operated like a bar that offered food. There is a difference.
These advocates don't know when to stop. They've been given an inch and now they've come back for more. I guess its ok to destroy lives to save lives. They should work on banning the legal product not how its used. At some point its up to the consumer to chose how to handle their health. That point should be drawn at drinking and smoking oriented places such as pool halls and bars.
If you ask me the solution to the problem is to ban smoking up till 8pm in pool halls, bars and bowling alleys on the weekends and 6pm during the week. This would keep allow them to operate under a more controled adult audience during peak business hours.City council passes new smoking ban
Smoking will be banned at bars, pool halls and bowling alleys starting April 15
By Beth Wilson (Contact)
Originally published 11:22 a.m., December 16, 2008
Updated 05:47 p.m., December 16, 2008
CORPUS CHRISTI — The City Council approved extending the smoking ban to bars, pool halls and bowling alleys but added a later effective date of April 15.
Opponents of the ban extension vowed to put the issue to a public vote, picking up referendum rules immediately after the vote.
The issue was presented as a matter of protecting health or individual choice as people on both sides of the issue addressed the council before the vote.
Those in favor of extending the smoking ban used health statistics and personal stories about the negative impact of secondhand smoke.
Bar and pool hall owners, managers and employees addressed the crowd too.
Councilman Mike Hummell, who voted against the ordinance and motioned unsuccessfully to exclude bars from the ordinance last week, made a motion Tuesday to exempt pool halls but did not receive enough support.
Smoke Free Corpus Christi, a coalition of mostly health advocacy organizations, is seeking to extend the ban beyond restaurants and other public places, saying the right to breathe clean, smoke-free air supersedes smokers' rights to smoke. Another group, Citizens for Choice and Common Sense, opposes an expansion of the ban, saying business owners and patrons have a choice in whether to frequent smoking establishments.
The later effective date was added to give bar owners time to build patios and adjust their liquor license to allow drinking on those patios, where smoking will still be allowed under the expanded ban.
http://www.caller.com/news/2008/dec/...art-330-today/
That's discrimination.
Wanna elaborate or be more specific.
There's been a smoking ban in place where I live for a couple of years now and it hasn't hurt businesses. Because the ban is pretty much statewide, people are either going to deal with the ban or just not go out. Personally I've enjoyed being able to go to a bar now and not have to inhale other people's smoke.
I guess for the business owners in Corpus, any potential negative impact from the ban may depend on how far the smokers would have to drive to take their business somewhere else.
For the most part the restaurants that went under lost their customers to the bars that could legally allow smoking while not serving food. Now that the bars and pool halls won't be allowed I'm willing to bet they lose business to the places that have large patios and outdoor venues. There are more than a few here in town.
I don't think its a matter of simply dealing with it. I have a fundamental problem with the banning of a legal substance when its use pertains to a small portion of the ones who are actually affected....such as bars and pool halls.
Yeah same here in MD. People just go outside and smoke.
I love smoking bans. I'd like to see a federal smoking ban.
Even the outside areas, bar and restaurant patios, etc., are banned here. Basically any public access property. Only the private clubs, VFW's and whatnot, allow smoking. I'm not sure what the smokers do here...become an Elk or something.
I wonder if it's like that in Seguin where Orion lives.
good. we need more smoking bans. if you wanna smoke, do it in a designated area so that you can sit in your own filth with the rest of the smokers. keep that away from me
Not at all. I've made my point.
Sounds like they're just one small step from making the ban universal...so soon everyone will be affected equally. I think that was partially the motivation behind the 100% ban here.
The point isn't that I oppose bans the point is that banning a legal drug from a place that centers around its social use is not only ing stupid its counter productive. Why not ban liquor from the bar too. Pool cues because they are weapons.
Why not ban liquor from restaurants since its use directly contributes to death on a much larger scale than second hand smoke.
Seems as much. It would have been better to have done that in the first place.
Yeah more government involvement in our lives. That's what we need.....
My friend who owns a pool hall is trying to find a way to convert it into a humidor that just happens to have pool tables.
I detest smoking, but this is bull .
whenever people are doing something in public that harms everyone around them ... then yes we need government involvement in that.
I don't see to many people smoke anymore. Outside a office building or driving in there cars.They have banned it just about everywhere. Which is nice. I don't want to be flying,watching a game,eatting dinner,shopping and have smoke in my face. Bars....come on. Thats ridiculous.
Because other peoples' liquor and pool cues don't make my hair, skin, jeans and $400.00 Patagonia jacket smell like absolute .
no its not. have a designated spot for them outside where they can smoke. just because a small percentage of people choose to smoke, the majority shouldn't be forced to be around it.
They will eat that guy alive. Just like they did here with a restaurant that coverted to full time bar after the first ban.My friend who owns a pool hall is trying to find a way to convert it into a humidor that just happens to have pool tables.
What does it take to be a private club? Couldn't you just charge membership for .25 and give a cheap members card the size of a credit card. Since private clubs are exempt.
Son, I don't smoke. Please give me some sort of proof where someone without lung problems already was harmed by some jerkoff smoking in a public facility. Such as a bar.
Are you serious dude? I think there's some pretty conclusive science on the danger of second hand smoke.
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