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lulz, 1970s forum.
No but that liquor and pool cue would kill you just as easily. Don't want to smell like ? Don't go the bar after hours. Think a lot of people don't want the ability to smoke at the bar...then try your luck and open up a smoke free bar and see how many customers you bring in.
lulz, 1970s forum.
All the smokers ed about the ban here in Austin when it started, then they just shut their cryholes and smoked outside. There seemed to be a transition period where some smokers tried to get all hard ass and only went to clubs outside the city limits that allowed smoking, but they pretty much all came back. I can't think of one club that had to shut down because of it.
The simple fact is that its not a small percentage or the restaurants that operated as bars wouldn't have suffered. It would have been business as usual minus a couple hundred bucks a week.
LOL I will take it that you are joking.
When did being an adult not consist of choosing for yourself what you want to be exposed to?
If a business owner sees that more people would come to his place if he banned smoking at his establishment then wouldn't he. That in of itself is proof that this ban is about the majority not the small few?
Why are these advocates trying to dictate the choices of grown adults?
I understand the public areas. The mall, most restaurants and public shopping areas like Target, Walmart and grocery stores because minors may not have the choice of entering or not entering with their parents but bars and pool halls are either 21 or 18 and up after 6 or 7PM.
This is borderlining on infringing are rights of choice.
John: Do you want to go to the bar?
Mike: What!!?? No. Haven't you heard? They have banned smoking in bars.
John: So you don't want to go out because of that?
Mike: No I don't.
John: So, uh, what are you going to do?
Mike: I'm going to sit at home, watch re-runs of South Park on TV and suck down a pack and a half of Camel Filters.
John: Y'know, you're right. it. I'll stay home too. I mean we could go out and spend time with people in a social setting and have a lot of fun and I really wanted to do so, but that, it's not worth it if I'll be forced to walk 20 ft outside to smoke. Now toss me a cig and the remote, let's watch some TV...
Not likely.
Regardless, the majority is always the NON SMOKING crowd. The last stat I saw was that 1 out of every 14 people in the U.S. smoked. If a person cannot go out to eat without smoking, then that person needs serious help. people who feel the need to smoke EVERYWHERE that they go are very weak minded individuals who have no self discipline. If its that's damn important for you to suck on your cigarette everywhere you go, then at least have respect for others and take that outside. Smoking in public is no different than if someone wanted to on themselves or constantly fart in the middle of a restaurant/bar LOL .... no one wants to be around something that stinks up the place. (oh and at least someone who s on themselves just stinks up the joint and doesn't harm your health like smoking does) LMAO
Obviously an across the board ban would leave no choice. However banning some and not others leaves many places suffering.
Your point still doesn't change the fact that it should be up to the adult to choose where he would like to go smoke free or not. So long as its an adult establishment that socially centers around smoking. A bar and pool hall do just that. We are talking about allow places to operate under free will so long as no one is forced to deal with second hand smoke.
You can't be more ing fair than that.
Isn't the infringement both ways?
Peoe like him are why our country is in the state it's in. Governing without thinking about an adult's decision nor the business it affects.
When the smoking ban took effect in SA, a lot of business owners predicted the same doom and gloom and there too, it didn't happen. In fact, one manager I know said they did more business.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT GOING OUT TO EAT YOU ING MORON. I said I was an advocate for a smoking ban in most public places where people don't have a choice to avoid it. The majority of people in pool halls and bars smoke. I don't even think that can be debated. People go the bar to drink and smoke and socialize. We are talking about establishments that do not allow minors after say 7pm. Adult only establishments where the majority of your customers smoke. You can choose to not go. Going to a bar that allows smoking isn't a necessity like food and water. Its a choice and if the business owner feels that his establishment thrives while allowing smoking then so be it.
Why does he not have that right?
I understand the Mall owner not having the same rights as the bar owner. There is a big fundamental difference. All I'm asking is that they acknowledge the difference and stay the out of the way and let the pools halls and bars handle their business whichever way they seem fit.
Well I'm sorry to have personally destroyed your country, asshole. And I'll tell you what- once the powers that be start respecting my adult decision to smoke weed in the confines of my own house, then maybe I'll be more inclined to respect the adult decisions of others in public places. (decisions which happen to include blowing second hand tobacco smoke all over my person).
It is at the Mall, grocery story, autoparts store....any place that might be considered a necessity driven establishment. Any place where a minor might not have the choice to choose to enter or not.
That wouldn't apply to an adult oriented business establishment.
Wanna ban porn from HEB fine makes sense. Wanna ban porn from a porn shop. Doesn't add up does it.
Because you can choose to not enter.
obviously your a smoker hence why you don't give two s about harming other people with your filthy smoke. your saying that it should be up to the adult to decide where they go smoke in public .... how can you even justify that? it is proven that second hand smoke is very harmful, and in many cases more harmful than it is to the actual smoker. why should you be allowed to smoke wherever you want? under your plan, would it be okay if I walked around the river walk spraying gas cans all over the place??? I mean, since I am an adult, it should be my right.
son your a ing clueless head. please learn to read and comprehend before making your ignorant accusations. I CLEARLY said "RESTAURANT/BAR" ..... YOU SEE THE WORD BAR IN THERE????? ing idiot. Also, I love how you just assume that "people go to the bar or pool hall to smoke". that sure is an easy way to justify your ignorant claim. sure people smoke in bars and pool halls, but it is FAR from the majority. nowhere near it. I own 2 bars and I would estimate that on average (on a packed night) about 20% smoke.
On the one hand, I agree with B2B because I feel like if I want to open a bar called "Smokey's Smoking Bar for Smokers" in downtown Dallas, I should be able to, and I should not have to cater to non-smokers if that's not my clientele. It surprises me that the anti-smoking sentiment is strong enough that these bans can be passed and supported, but it's apparently not strong enough for people to stay away from bars and pool halls where the smoking bothers you, causing enough demand for bar owners to voluntarily ban smoking to attract the non-smoking crowd.
On the other hand, I only smoke when I drink, and I should probably quit doing that, so maybe this will help. And to ChumpDumper's point, the net effect is pretty minimal. People will just smoke outside. But for argument's sake, I think it's still an unnecessary infringement of rights and further example that people need the government to protect them from they don't like and could voluntarily avoid if they really wanted to.
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What if I wanna smoke in a porn shop?
It's like this. (credit to Steve Martin)
I could go eat a bunch of y machaca burritos, go into a bar and fart up a nasty ass storm. That's my adult right and choice. If I so choose there are no laws against going into an establishment and subjecting everybody to my nasty stanky ass. But just because there are no laws against it, and it would be well within the parameters of my own decision making, it doesn't mean that I wouldn't be a ing asshole if I did something like that.
And that's how I feel about smokers when they about personal choice and rights. Just because you have the right to do something that you KNOW bothers and is bad for the health of others, doesn't mean you are not a complete ing asshole if you actually do it.
That's not the same as passing laws against being an asshole.
And anyway, if I'm in a bar where there is smoking, I am assuming people in there will not mind if someone is smoking near them. Of course, I also don't go to bars where it's so crowded that I'm blowing smoke in the faces of strangers. If you do, as a non smoker, I question your choice of bars.
Stay on god damn point people.
This isn't about whether banning smoking is right or wrong. I don't care what your opinion is as a human being and especially a minor human being we have the right to do certain things without having smoke around us.
The majority of public smoking bans are totally founded and definately for the better good. Especially in places where people have no control.
We are talking about a ban in a place that operates as an adult oriented establishment where you have the choice to enter or not. We aren't talking about a necessity item establishment. We aren't talking about a goods and service establishment like the food industry. We are talking about an adult only social establishment that centers on drinking and smoking where the majority have indulged in both.
Its wrong to dictate what can and can't be done with a legal substance that doesn't affect sobriety in a purely adult establishment. Key words being adult and choice. Because the people who aren't able to choose aren't even allowed in.
We have the right to choose to use the legal substance or not. Be around it or not.
The key is choice. All those other places leave choice out of the equation because minors can't choose to be there or not. I don't want someone crusading for my choices. I'll make my own thank you. Wanna crusade for the people who can't choose? Good do it.
For those of you who want bars and pools halls that don't allow smoking then go ing open one. Make sure your overhead is low and the place is small because you are in the minority.
You are as dumb as it gets. I'm a non-smoker and I'm PRO the smoking ban. I'm not an advocate for giving a person the choice to smoke in public. How ing stupid are you? Seriously are even ing reading what I'm typing?
We aren't talking about all of the public here. I'm defending the bars and the pool halls that are adult oriented places where you have a choice to socialize or not.
There is a massive difference.
I'm a smoker and I don't see a problem with this. I have no issues going outside to smoke. If anything, it helps me smoke less.
LOL gotta love your inconsiderate way of thinking.
You keep bringing up points that "it is a legal substance", "it doesn't affect sobriety", and "we as adults have the choice to go into a bar" , etc. ..... yet you fail to bring up anything about the FACT that second hand smoke is harmful. why are you leaving that part out? why should the majority of people, REGARDLESS if its in a bar or restaurant be exposed to the minority who want to smoke? who gives a if it is an adult establishment like a bar?? .... if you want to smoke, make a designated area for those people who want to smoke. you don't have to ban it in a bar, but make a designated area for it.
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