smoking in bars will be a thing of the past before long.
i can't believe san antonio has been so slow to get on this. austin, dallas (soon i think), corpus and houston are there. reckon we're next.
it's funny how much of a snob you become about cigarette smoke when you quit.
i think an option we could pursue is to enclose smokers off more. like those plexiglass smoke rooms in airports. do they still have those?
I'd like to congratulate B2B on his knack for taking a topic and stretching it beyond foreseeable limits. I'd of put the over/under at 3 pages on this bad boy.
For the most part it was 9 pages of decent debate sans BRHornets. That guys is a ing waste.
hate to tell ya, but smoking bans are coming all over the place whether you disagree or not. , based on what's already illegal, tobacco really has no business being legal either.
But that's besides the point. The point is that you feel people and business owners should have the right to blow around a giant cloud of toxic, poisonous gas in places such as bars, pool halls and night clubs, and that if I don't like poisonous toxic gas, then I should just piss off because it's their cons utional right to blow around toxic, poisonous gas in a public domain.
Makes perfect sense.
and no, I don't feel everyone has the luxury of choosing whatever job they want, but that's a different topic for a different day
son, I tend to agree with you
I like both the rock and the country bars.
Unfortunately my choice has to be neither because both places are filled with smoke.
Nail on the head friend other than it being a public domain. Its a private domain open for public use for adults only who choose to enter. We aren't talking about city park here. One individual can close its doors to you. Its private whether you want to believe it or not. Its your previlege to be allowed to enter not your right.
I know its not going away and neither is illegal search and seizure and police brutality. Neither is wiretapping and the absurd outlaw of hemp. It will only get worse from here on out. Our elected officials aren't capable of holding up our cons utionally given rights and we as a whole are incapable of fighting for them successfully. Its almost over I get it.
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Thing is, the second hand smoke is harmful and potentially cancer causing.
That's pretty much what we are talking about here. It's not a trivial nuisance any more like it was 30 years ago.
Just because it's private property, you can't go inside and punch somebody in the gut.
not for long
Gut punching a stranger is illegal. Now if gut punching a stranger was legal then...
If its a gut punching bar and you know that gut punching sucks balls and gut punching is perfectly legal then you can either enter or not.
Why is this so hard for you. I don't give a if its harmful for this application. Lots of stuff is harmful and you have a choice to consume it or not. No one is forcing you to walk in. No one is gut punching you out on the street and telling you its their right.
No one is forcing it on you and no one is forcing you go in and take a gut punch any more then them forcing you to enter and inhale the smoke. Call them stupid call them insane but don't try to change their lives because you aren't into gut punching if gut punching is legal and you're fully warned that it goes on in the establishment.
There is not one good analogy for the ban of smoking in a private building thats adults only. A building that you aren't required to enter. A building that has no effect on your well being if you choose to not enter.
Stop trying to turn your PREFERENCE into a law you expect everyone to abide by. These people and those bars have zero effect on your life and zero effect on anyone's life that chooses to not enter. If you think its stupid great then choose to refrain. Let the stupid people have their way because guess what they have a right to choose just as much as you do. Your choice shouldn't hold more weight than the next persons. You aren't ing special.
I want to know right now how can you get lung cancer from the smoking bar that you don't enter.
gut punching is legal?
What's hard to understand that a poisonous toxic gas has no business in public domain. This is isn't about what you think are your cons utional rights as an owner. This is about the health and well being of the public.
It's not your right as a restaurant owner to hang cows up in the kitchen at room temperature. Unfortutantely we have to make a law regarding such a thing because if not, there will be plenty of owners tha won't care if they don't keep their meats at the perfect temperature to avoid bacteria setting in.
Harming other people is inherently wrong, I don't care what the context is.
I know, I know.....if I don't like getting bad beef, I just need to stay away from restaurants.
Who said they want to go into a "smoking bar".
I think I made it clear......I just want to drink and shoot pool.
Then go drink and shoot pool in the bar that says "no smoking". How dense are you. Don't want smoke don't go where it is. The bar smoke can only affect you in the bar. Period.
You can't be affected by the poisonous gases if you don't enter. Its not your right to enter. You aren't required to nor forced to.
You do not have a right to enter its a priveledge not a right.
Absolutely wrong. I have every right to enter.
Upon entering, you do not have the right to punch me in the gut.
I'll sue your ass off and have you tossed in a jail where you can have all the cigarettes your tight cheeks can work for.
What pool hall in non smoking?
I know I know..........build my own.
Your sense of en lement goes against what the this country was founded on. It doesn't matter that one mans actions can harm you if you choose to be open to the harm. The same is not true if its forced on you but that isn't the case. You don't have a right to dictate how someone runs their business when all they want to do is give the public the ability to choose to use a perfectly legal substance. When it becomes illegal then you have an argument. When smoking in the bar affects little Timmy 6 miles away then you have an argument. Until then all you have thats legal is to choose to move along. Whats happening with the banning of smoking in these bars is wrong. Its illegal and uncons ional and I'm outraged at how some people think its ok to push their preferences on other freewilling americans because they feel like like their opinion is better than the next guy instead of just going to a different establishment.
The key word is force. No one forces it on you. The second most important thing is that it doesn't affect anyone outside of the establishment that chooses to not enter. They have entered at their own risk.
I'll give you the last word if you want it.
I'm requesting that this merri-go-round be locked before my chode explodes.
A bar owner can kick you out of his bar for whatever reason he sees fit and if you return its tresspassing. You have no right to return. Its not even debatable. Its a luxury and you want to dictate your rules.
Just like a door guy let in or not let whomever he wants.
tell you what B2B..........when the complete smoking ban comes to San Antonio.......and make no mistake, it's coming.........you take the city to court, challenge the cons utionality of the ban and let me know how it goes for you.
why the bar owner kick a non-smoker out?
you're getting off on some kind of tangent that's unrelated to the issue
GO DAMMIT I"M GOING TO MELT. YES YOU ING STUPID SELFISH MORONIC ING UNAMERICAN PIECE OF ING . BUILD YOUR OWN NONSMOKING HOLE AND GO THERE. IF YOU DON'T LIKE MAKE YOUR OWN.
OH ING NO FREE WILL AND CONS UTIONAL RIGHTS I HAVE A MOTHER ING OPINION AND GOD DAMMIT I'M GOING TO WILL MY ING STUPID UNCONS UIONAL BACKASSED ED OPINION ON EVERY ING SINGLE ONE OF YOU BECAUSE MY NAMES BLAKE AND IF I CAN'T PLAY THE WAY I WANT TO ING PLAY AT YOUR POOL THEN I'M GOING TO HAVE THE RULES CHANGED TO ACCOMODATE MY SELFISH SELFABSORD ED UP WAY OF WANTING TO DO THINGS BECAUSE GOD DAMMIT I WANT MY MOTHER ING WAAAAAAAY WAAAAAAHHHHH WAAAAAAHHHHH DO IT THE WAY I WANT IT BECAUSE ITS MY RIGHT TO INVADE YOUR PLACE OF BUSINESS EVEN THOUGH ITS ING PRIVATE PROPERTY.
YOU YOU IGN UNAMERICAN PIECE OF GOD DAMN . ING UP MY COUNTRY WITH YOUR OPINIONATED UNWILLINGNESS TO COMPROMISE AND BE REASONABLE. I ING HATE WHAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU HAVE DONE TO THIS COUNTRY. I HOPE YOU GET SECOND HAND SMOKE LUNG CANCER AND DIE AFTER LIVING WITH ONE OF THOSE VIBRATING VOICE ING THINGS FOR 5 YEARS OF ING .
THE ING POINT IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO BE AN OCCUPANT. THEY CAN LEGALLY REMOVE YOU. ITS NOT YOUR RIGHT TO ENTER A PRIVATE PLACE OF BUSINESS. ITS YOUR ING LUXURY AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE SAID PLACE OF BUSINESS THEN LEAVE.
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