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I just learned that Warren has given something like 90% of his earnings to charity? I find that incredibly awesome if correct and regardless of any differences we may have in other areas that is outstanding.
What the does Obama believe?
I just learned that Warren has given something like 90% of his earnings to charity? I find that incredibly awesome if correct and regardless of any differences we may have in other areas that is outstanding.
I'm as liberal as they come and I ing love this decision. I respect Warren. I love how the comments of a couple pastors who seem to be nothing more than jealous of him are being construed into "Obama pissing off the base."
Obama's entire message has been predicated on reconciliation and compromise and so if these people aren't on board and they don't subscribe to his fundamental message, how the can they be construed as part of the base?
And also, Yoni, that you would attack Obama for doing what he said he would; that is enfranchising those with your point of view, is beyond sickening. You are ing disgusting excuse of an American and a human being. Piece of .
It's called reverse hing. It's a measure of his seriousness. Puts his money where his mouth is.
It's awesome. Given how many 60 minute stories I've seen about Mega-church and Televangelist pastors who live like royalty, it's even that much more awesome. There isn't a better person Obama could have chosen IMO.
Unlike Bush ,who chose to govern to 51% percent of the country, Obama seems to want to include everyone. I am ok with that. I guess the right wingers are so used to in your face politics they find it hard to believe that ther are people out in the world who don't buy into the Rush Limabauh politics.
the glbt community needs to get over it. it's a prayer
How can your statement be correct when his approval ratings have been around 20% for some time?
You can never please all the people. Not even Obama will be able to.
I resent you calling conservatism "Rush Limbaugh" politics. Conservatism has been around long before him! He is simply the most popular conservative pundit. Does that mean we should call liberalism "Obama Politics" or "Al Frankin" politics? Pick a name for liberalism please.
As for "Right Wingers" and "In Your Face." My God... It's the right that complains about the left being in peoples faces! The right norm,ally remains silent or guarded until there is a pressing issue that the left is flamboyant about.
There apparently was a sense among some on the far left that with the election of Obama they would be able to get revenge on their political enemies.
It cracks me up how other conservatives obsess continually over the puny and vanishingly insignificant left-wing in American politics. As if it really had power. As if it were an actual threat. Ha. In the Democratic Party itself the left wing is marginalized, denounced as unserious, and kept on as a sideshow, to frighten its nephews and nieces into bland mediocrity.
We have two centrist parties here. Both believe in big government, and both are in hock to big business. From the viewpoint of Europe, there is no left-wing party at all in the USA. For that matter, there is no truly conservative party either. Both major parties are essentially neoliberal.
For all the belly-aching about the so-called left, I fail to see what the big deal is. George W. Bush has done more than any President in the last 30 years to bring about social democracy in the USA. He presided over the biggest increase in en lements since the Great Society, and his administration has nationalized the mortgage and financial sectors. Next up, automobile production.
The camel's nose is under the tent.
Outrage? I see more schadenfreude about Obama supposedly sticking it to teh gheys and teh libs.
If there's any outrage on either side, it's totally contrived. Fake umbrage alert!
Has anybody here expressed any outrage whatsoever? The conservatives are kind of smug, and everyone else is kind of thinking, "OK, what's the big deal?"
Out on the innertubes, though, there are leftie blogs screaming bloody murder about how Obama is not governing according to the Green Party platform, and how dare, HOW DARE he invite a CHRISTIAN HATEMONGER to do the invocation when Katherine Jefferts Schori had her calendar all cleared out on the 20th.
To which, I'm:
Obama giving less than 1% should piss you off, no?
Me too. Let em though, they're in the minority.To which, I'm
Everybody's having them dreams.
Everybody sees themselves walkin' around with no one else.
Half of the people can be part right all of the time,
Some of the people can be all right part of the time.
But all the people can't be all right all the time
Not only does he practive reverse hing (where he gives 90% to God and lives on 10%), but, when his book, "The Purpose-Drive Life, became a bestseller, he figured out what Saddleback Church had paid him in salary since he started the church, and he gave back ALL of that money to the church!
We had some friends who helped start Saddleback and I've been out to the church - they have a pretty impressive ministry.
, I'm not rich, and I probably give 4% to 5% of my income to charity.
Uhm... why the quotes? I mean, he IS a reverend... a jackass yes, but still a reverend.
Considering he's a public servant, no. Obama could have made far more money in other services, and thats a no brainier.
I hold a special contempt for clergy who preach Christiantiy and live in places like the Dominion. I'm glad to see Warren is not like that.
Yeah, before the Current Pres and Vice President took office they donated the majority of their lives to becoming independently wealthy. One succeeded himself and the other just bankrupt a bunch of companies on daddy's dime, but making obscene amounts of money was both of their primary goals in life. Obama's worked pretty much his entire adult life in the interest and service of other people, when really, he could have done anything else he wanted, including becoming obscenely rich. But he didn't, so how bout you republican s - ing-bags quit throwing stones at the man for anything you cook up in your delusional and small minds. Especially since he just went out of his way and is taking heat for throwing a pretty big olive branch to your conservative base.
As someone who likes to see religion and politics as far away from each other as possible, I could care less. How many pastors or religious leaders are you going to find that will agree with gay marriage? I'd say its the vast minority. Someone has to say the prayer, right? I'm sure if I knew every choice of pastor, rabbi, whatever, I'd disagree with all of them. As long as he's not up there using the platform for a pulpit on issues, what's the big deal?
Good take.
could he be more powerful doing something else? anyways, i guess public servants shouldn't have to donate money, even if they make a couple of million.
Who's to judge? Hypocrites of all walks piss me off.I hold a special contempt for clergy who preach Christiantiy and live in places like the Dominion. I'm glad to see Warren is not like that.
I've always wondered if this Joel Osteen is legit or a paper pastor?
That's great Warren is the real deal as far as charity givings, unlike The Obamas.
The question was about giving money, not what his motivations for becoming president are.
Sure, there are a ton of hypocrites outside of christian pastors who piss me off but I was placing a context on my comments in this thread. I don't agree with a lot of what Warren has to say or believe, but he puts his money where his mouth is and I believe he has good intentions.Who's to judge? Hypocrites of all walks piss me off.
Joel Osteen is a putz. Anyone who says that Jesus wants them to have money/be rich is just pandering to his congregation.
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