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PJ left... part of it is that...
It seems all we do is one of the following:
Option 1: give it to duncan at the post and pray.
Option 2: pick n roll. TP + TD
Option 3: Dribble, find an open 3pt shooter, shoot. (don't bother rebounding)
Option 4: don't even bother passing, just fake your defender and shoot a fadeaway
they are playing offense like I play nba live. Either give it to Duncan or shoot a 3.
I see too much standing around, too much, way too much thinking. It seems most of the time they are not letting the game come to them. It's sad because they are 4 time champions!
I am no NBA coach but isn't there anything else they should try on offense???
oh and what ever happened to trying to get a foul call while driving to the basket????????
PJ left... part of it is that...
Bwahahahahahahahaha!
well, we don't really have playmakers in the team. Manu would be the only one and he is MIA. He is slow-footed and something is up psychologically in him too.
Last season we had Barry. Yes Spurs miss Barry's playmaking.
Let's be honest, TP is amazing but not an offensive playmaker such as CP3, Deron, Nash.
So let's look at the top teams, they either have a great playmaker like CP3, Deron, Nash, or a superstar(Kobe/Lebron), all we can strive for is play somewhat like the Celtics style of offense.
It seems the Spurs struggle against any team that decides not to double Duncan and allow open 3 point shots this year. I think that will continue to be the case until (hopefully) Parker and Ginoboli are able to drive and finish at the basket freely again. Right now, Duncan gets the ball in the post and waits for something to happen. If no double comes, he ends up shooting the bank shot or driving in for a runner, sometimes he makes it and sometimes he doesn't depending on who is guarding him. Last night, Howard had success in altering his (and any other people in the lane's) shots. When Duncan is not on the floor, it turns into the Manu-Parker show and, at this time, they are pulling up for jumpers much too often.
Sometimes it comes down to just making shots.
Spurs were getting great looks throughout the entire first half against Orlando; they just weren't hitting them. They were verifiably tired and front-rimming everything.
It also seems there are certain players (I.E. Finley, Bonner, even Duncan) who seem to start overthinking things once they miss a few shots. Instead of just letting fly, they hesitate and put up shots out of rhythm, and every continual brick only seems to make things worse.
It's concerning to think the only way the Spurs can beat teams is with the 3 point shot falling. It seems like there is no real plan B, which isn't going to cut it come playoff time...
i say we should fire Pop, hire PJ, trade manu for kobe, and parker and jacque for williams and cp3 respectively, and then hire jerry west as an assistant coach.
oh yeah, and trade duncan for hedo turkoglu.
then we'd never have any problems offensively.
Concerning, but that's how the inside-out offense works. The Spurs have been one of the better three-point shooting teams in the League throughout the Duncan era. Unfortunately, that's seems to make them rely on gathering at least 15-30 points from the arc to get to their expected offensive output.
Duncan and Tony are great players, but we can't expect them to rack up 100 points in the paint every night, and it's been ages since the Spurs have had a second-option presence in the post. In an offense that so deliberately defines the roles of creators and shooters, the shooters have to step up and hit their shots.
I don't agree. Spurs need a personality offensively and 3pt shooting team is not it.
It could be as simple as Pop going to Manu/TP/Mason/Finley AND Hill and saying: "if you don't go to the line at least 4 times a game" you are not doing your job"
No one is saying they have to carry a 100 pt load but at least have a secondary gameplan when the outside shots aren't falling. Instead of adjusting for off nights, it seems like they keep doing the same thing over and over, which just puts them further into a hole. This type of inconsistent "feast or famine" offensive gameplan will be hard to keep up in the playoffs against the better defensive teams...
Duncan and Parker have no Heart!!!! Manu not driving enough, and we are shooting way too many 20ft jumpers. Even Tim looking like he wants to play the SF spot, he shoots more facing the basket than with his back to it. Thats the true mark of decay of a bigman!
Pops needs to decide are we ganna run and out score teams or be a defensive team! Stop having a bunch of small guys on the floor and then try to play a slow game.
Duncan and Parker need a kick in the ass! Parker got owned last night, and Duncan is getting pushed around by everyone. He even struggled with that bald white guy who couldnt make most nba teams. Soft as !
Hard to argue with that.
The only people who seem to consistently attack the basket to score are Tim, Tony, and Manu...and when it's not going for them, it's not going for them. Everybody else, with the occasional exception from Hill, seems to slash just to create and pass out.
And the Spurs ability to draw fouls this season has been downright pathetic. I don't even care to look how close to the bottom we are in Free Throws Attempted.
HAHAHAHA......Do people understand the Spurs gameplans or not??
Spurs system is not built on scoring over 100 points a game. Were built to score in the low 90's and hold other teams down in the high 80's lower 90's.
This team is not an offensive juggernaut and never will be under Pop. If the defense is solid then so will our offense most of the time. Last night was an exemption.
This system has brought us 4 Championships. Its funny, its like a saying:
"You know what theyre gonna do, but you just cant stop it"
Spurs will continue with this system until proven otherwise. Offense revolves around the Big 3. Just like every other team.
+1, xtremesteven33.
Yeah I mean, look at his ability to do it with Hou.....
What?
Hes hurt again?
Same injury different leg?!?!?
Oops...
I think the championship teams had more "drive and kick" in them than this team does now. That could change if Parker and Manu get back to 100% and show their old lane collapsing form but I just don't see it now. This team has fallen in love with the jumpshot and that is not a good thing against teams that can defend...
nobody is askin the spurs to score 100pts a game.
but they need some kind of offense than can score more than 15pts per quarter. The current 3pt shooting only, relying on Duncan to beat 3 guys at a time is pathetic IMO.
and BTW, the 2003 champion spurs had a beast of an offense.
Matt Bonner is the reason. KT is also some of the reason as he doesn't work the post either.
The Spurs went from an interior oriented team to a jump-shooting team when they traded in a down-low guy (Oberto) for a perimeter guy (Bonner).
Oberto was never a mega-scorer but he was always a threat since he was very close to the basket. Without him there, Tony/Manu have fewer interior passing options.
Duncan is getting doubled very frequently now because he's the only Spur on the blocks. His only option now is a jumper, bank shot or a kick-out. It's rare to see him get deep in the paint because the minute he gets the ball close to the basket he gets swarmed. You know he's getting swarmed when TD has primarily become a jump-shooter. No way he's sniffing the paint with all those secondary defenders waiting for him.
It's the benefit and trade-off of having a 3 point shooting big man.
good point! Oberto at least helps in flow of offense. Playing Bonner is like sticking a cork in the offense's asshole!
Do they have a pathetic offense?
In December, what are they averaging, 101 points per game?
I'm not going to even compare their ppg, to save you from looking like a moron. And Kori ellis, shame on you and xtremestevens for trying to bring that goddamn logic into this thread. Overreacters only!!!!
I don't think the Spurs offense is pathetic but I do think it's inconsistent. The Spurs have great shooters, no doubt. However, when they're off, there is no plan B. Because they're a skilled outside shooting team, the Spurs will usually have great offensive nights.
But when the shots aren't falling, it can get ugly.
Last edited by Allanon; 12-19-2008 at 02:22 PM.
thanks for contributing. Doesn't change the fact that when Spurs face a decent team with a decent big, we are in deep . Duncan is slowed down and like many say live by the 3 die by the 3.
An offense that relies on pure 3pt shooting is pathetic IMO.
and we were averaging 100+ppg. yeah, but many of our players were shooting lights out from 3pt in those games. Anybody who expected this to continue all season and through playoffs is dumb.
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