Smoking ban extended to bars and pool halls in Corpus Christi

[BacktoBasics]

Then I as a store owner say I want the same smoking rights because I say get your FARKING kid and your FARKING ass out of my store if you don't like it. Build your own FARKING non-smoking grocery store.

Absolutely. I think thats the way it should work. I do think that most grocery store owners don't want smoking though. I think the stores who have nonsmoking policies would do better than grocery stores that don't.

I said before that I feel that most store owners and private property owner who are open to the public would be very open to a smoking ban. For the most part people are willing to compromise their right because they want to. Its good for business.

The bars, pool halls and bowling alleys don't.

My compromise for them was inforce the smoke ban during daytime hours then after hours when its adults only you can light up. Since at that point you aren't affecting anyone who might not have a choice in being present.

Doesn't get anymore reasonable than this.

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that's funny because I just want to go to a bar and have a smoke free drink.

right now, I can't do that.

see, the difference is that the smoker can go outside and puff for a few minutes and come back in.........I can't take my drink outside. I have to take it home.

....but I'm the selfish bas here......right.

You sure are. You should demand a smoke free bar be built or build one yourself since the demand is ing thru the roof and you'd be rich off of it. The smokers would die in poverty over your majority ruled invention. bwahahahaha :

yeah yeah we know you aren't capable of doing something proactive for profit you'd rather inforce your belief on others because you're a ing Nazi butt ing dictator.

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and homes are not regulated by the government and never will be.

I'm not even going to dignify the stupidity of this post with a counterpoint.

[Blake]

I'm not even going to dignify the stupidity of this post with a counterpoint.

good, because I'm not sure why you are even trying to bring residential property into the equation.

[leemajors]

I love beer. I love craft beer. I love microbrews. I love sticking my nose into the glass, getting foam in my moustache, inhaling the aroma of beer, trying to figure out what hops were used by the aroma. It's not as easy to do in a smoky bar, which sucks. I'm not there to quaff light beer or mass market stuff, i'm there to get the best out there on tap. I'm glad Austin banned smoking in bars if only for me to be able to enjoy my $5 pint like i want to!

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Me: baby jesus are you there?

BJ: yes my child

Me: baby jesus I would like to smoke in the bar since smoking is legal

BJ: its bad for you its bad for the people around you

Me: I know BJ I know but how about the non-smokers open their own bar up and leave mine alone. That way they can go out smoke free and I can have my smoke and my fellow man can have his if he so chooses. We promise to affect only the ones who choose to enter and never a single sole outside the establishment.

BJ: Totally unreasonable. We can't allow others to open up their own place of business we must control everything. Free enterprise is pointless when we can grant them the power to control you.

Me: Damn baby jesus soooo evil.

[DarkReign]

hey jeenyus, did you read the part of your story that also said that polls indicate the majority of Michigan residents want the ban?

Even though that's the opinion of the senator, I also figure saving millions in health care cost to be a good thing.

Whoever said Michigan wasnt full of nanny-state pussies like yourself?

Like I said earlier, at least I know who I am being outnumbered by. People like yourself, controlling, complaining, vagina-laden ass-wipes with an agenda and a billion dollar industry to lobby on your behalf.

You can laugh now, moron. But just wait until some personal freedom of yours is stripped on behalf of the billion dollar corporations that actually run this country.

Smoking now. Fat people later. Theyre going to control your media, your household, your private property, your food intake, your travel and soon after your freedoms.

Congratulations! Youre a rung in a ladder! But I bet you dont care, at least your clothes wont smell icky.

Pussy.

[DarkReign]

good, because I'm not sure why you are even trying to bring residential property into the equation.

You want go down this road, panzy?

[Blake]

You sure are. You should demand a smoke free bar be built or build one yourself since the demand is ing thru the roof and you'd be rich off of it. The smokers would die in poverty over your majority ruled invention. bwahahahaha :

yeah yeah we know you aren't capable of doing something proactive for profit you'd rather inforce your belief on others because you're a ing Nazi butt ing dictator.

I'm not enforcing my belief any more than the government enforces speed limit laws.

It's not my belief that second hand smoke is harmful. It's fact according to the United States Surgeon F-ing General.

A cloud of toxic second hand smoke shouldn't be flying around in a pool hall any more than your awesome example of using pool cues to hurt people.

[Blake]

You want go down this road, panzy?

what road? I've gone 12 rounds with B2B. I still have enough juice to squash the likes of you, so bring what you think you got.

[BacktoBasics]

I love beer. I love craft beer. I love microbrews. I love sticking my nose into the glass, getting foam in my moustache, inhaling the aroma of beer, trying to figure out what hops were used by the aroma. It's not as easy to do in a smoky bar, which sucks. I'm not there to quaff light beer or mass market stuff, i'm there to get the best out there on tap. I'm glad Austin banned smoking in bars if only for me to be able to enjoy my $5 pint like i want to!

I get your preference. I share the same preference.

Why is it so ing unreasonable to request that someone open a smoke free bar. Why do you have to control someone else's business for your owner personal preference.

Why must you people with the ones who just want to be left alone. Why do you have to conquer something instead of making your own. You have all the resources in the world to open one yourself there is no need to strip the right of the bar owner to accomodate you. Don't support his bar if you don't like his policy regarding the legal use of a legal drug. Support another bar, one doesn't exist, make one.

Again its like the kid who doesn't like basketball being pissed off that he wasn't picked for the team so he makes them change the rules to allow anyone to play. Instead of ing just going to join the YMCA.


I want your response to this leemajors not Blakians.

[DarkReign]

Since youre soooooo into research on the ills of secondhand smoke, look no further than our European friends across the pond for examples of what government will regulate inside your home.

Coming to state near you, friend, especially when the government will have the consent of the majority of our prescription drugged, hyper-allergenic, cancer laden, hypochondriac populace.

[BacktoBasics]

I'm not enforcing my belief any more than the government enforces speed limit laws.

It's not my belief that second hand smoke is harmful. It's fact according to the United States Surgeon F-ing General.

A cloud of toxic second hand smoke shouldn't be flying around in a pool hall any more than your awesome example of using pool cues to hurt people.

As long as an adult can still choose to consume cigarettes they should still be allowed to share consumption with their peers if everyone there is an adult and chooses to be there.

The government has already given you the choice to consume it or not. We ask to retain the right to do so in the company of only the people who want to be there and never

NEVER in the company of anyone who doesn't have a choice to be there.

You've got it all wrong face.

[DarkReign]

Question, Blake.

Should smokers be allowed to inside their own homes?

[Dex]

that's funny because I just want to go to a bar and have a smoke free drink.

right now, I can't do that.

see, the difference is that the smoker can go outside and puff for a few minutes and come back in.........I can't take my drink outside. I have to take it home.

....but I'm the selfish bas here......right.

This is one of those arguments where both sides can be right and wrong.

Used to be if you didn't like hanging around cigarette smoke, then you just wouldn't go to smokey bars. People have been smoking in drinking establishments pretty much since they've come to be, so it was almost like a 'with one comes the other' sort of thing.

If you had a problem with that, you either didn't go to bars a lot, or you tried to find non-smoking ones, which hardly every existed and thrived, because the amount of people who want to smoke in bars outnumbers those who don't.

I can understand the smoking ban in stores, and restaurants, and bowling alleys, and even dance clubs. These are places that people go for other reasons and could reasonably not want to have to deal with cigarette smoke.

But as far as I ever knew, even growing up, is that bars were for drinking and smoking. If you didn't want to deal with one or the other, then you probably aren't part of the bar crowd.

Now the government has extended the ban so that the minority is getting their way, and people wonder why this is stepping on a bunch of smokers' toes? When they've been used to going to bars and smoking for years?

Personally, I don't care that much. I'll go outside to smoke, or just wait if it's ridiculously cold or raining. But to me, it still seems like laying down at a rock concert and then complaining about the noise.

[Blake]

Whoever said Michigan wasnt full of nanny-state pussies like yourself?

Like I said earlier, at least I know who I am being outnumbered by. People like yourself, controlling, complaining, vagina-laden ass-wipes with an agenda and a billion dollar industry to lobby on your behalf.

You can laugh now, moron. But just wait until some personal freedom of yours is stripped on behalf of the billion dollar corporations that actually run this country.

Smoking now. Fat people later. Theyre going to control your media, your household, your private property, your food intake, your travel and soon after your freedoms.

Congratulations! Youre a rung in a ladder! But I bet you dont care, at least your clothes wont smell icky.

Pussy.

Right. The next step on a smoking ban in a public place is that the government will tell me that I can't eat at McDonald's.

Nobody is saying to make smoking illegal. In fact, I think people ought to be able to smoke whatever the they want to as long as it doesn't affect me directly.

Keep reading Orwell though. It's great for making people scared of things like smoking bans and cameras sitting at street lights.

[leemajors]

I get your preference. I share the same preference.

Why is it so ing unreasonable to request that someone open a smoke free bar. Why do you have to control someone else's business for your owner personal preference.

Why must you people with the ones who just want to be left alone. Why do you have to conquer something instead of making your own. You have all the resources in the world to open one yourself there is no need to strip the right of the bar owner to accomodate you. Don't support his bar if you don't like his policy regarding the legal use of a legal drug. Support another bar, one doesn't exist, make one.

Again its like the kid who doesn't like basketball being pissed off that he wasn't picked for the team so he makes them change the rules to allow anyone to play. Instead of ing just going to join the YMCA.


I want your response to this leemajors not Blakians.

well, i think the main reason to the bar owners revolting against the idea is they think they will lose money. in my experience, in austin, they didn't. as soon as they realized that people still came in and plunked down cash for alcohol, most of their issues with the ban disappeared. for a while, in the few bars i do frequent, people still smoked inside. they just gradually stopped. i think a lot more noise would have been made if they actually started losing money. bar owners may harp and cry about "freedoms" like this, but it all comes down to the bottom line, and since theirs was largely unaffected it became a non-issue. ethanol subsidies and their ridiculously far-reaching implications piss me off way more than things like this.

[Blake]

This is one of those arguments where both sides can be right and wrong.

And I could see both sides if it wasn't a health issue.

Used to be if you didn't like hanging around cigarette smoke, then you just wouldn't go to smokey bars. People have been smoking in drinking establishments pretty much since they've come to be, so it was almost like a 'with one comes the other' sort of thing.

If you had a problem with that, you either didn't go to bars a lot, or you tried to find non-smoking ones, which hardly every existed and thrived, because the amount of people who want to smoke in bars outnumbers those who don't.

I can understand the smoking ban in stores, and restaurants, and bowling alleys, and even dance clubs. These are places that people go for other reasons and could reasonably not want to have to deal with cigarette smoke.

But as far as I ever knew, even growing up, is that bars were for drinking and smoking. If you didn't want to deal with one or the other, then you probably aren't part of the bar crowd.

Now the government has extended the ban so that the minority is getting their way, and people wonder why this is stepping on a bunch of smokers' toes? When they've been used to going to bars and smoking for years?

Personally, I don't care that much. I'll go outside to smoke, or just wait if it's ridiculously cold or raining. But to me, it still seems like laying down at a rock concert and then complaining about the noise.

I agree with all that exept the minority part. It's become a majority issue with people pushing this on their elected officials which is why government is stepping in.

If anything, it's Philip Morris etc that keep paying out to try to keep smoking allowed everywhere you go.

[DarkReign]

http://www.newser.com/story/23607/ne...g-at-home.html

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Right. The next step on a smoking ban in a public place is that the government will tell me that I can't eat at McDonald's.

Nobody is saying to make smoking illegal. In fact, I think people ought to be able to smoke whatever the they want to as long as it doesn't affect me directly.

Keep reading Orwell though. It's great for making people scared of things like smoking bans and cameras sitting at street lights.

HOLY ING .

There it is you ing moron. Don't walk in the ing bar. Don't enter that place isn't for you pal you won't like it. You can actually ing use your god damn little ing brain to choose to not walk in.

That bar forces absolutely nothing on you.

0

0 ing effect on you

[DarkReign]

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0207/p...sc.html?page=2

[BacktoBasics]

And I could see both sides if it wasn't a health issue.



I agree with all that exept the minority part. It's become a majority issue with people pushing this on their elected officials which is why government is stepping in.

If anything, it's Philip Morris etc that keep paying out to try to keep smoking allowed everywhere you go.

The public polls in my town rang a different song. The officials voted it in with a 8-3 vote or somthing like that. Over 70% of the people were against even a partial ban. They pushed it through anyway. Now they've extended it.

[DarkReign]

You know, you dont want smoke on your pristine lifestyle, dont go in the bar.

Its the same reason I dont go to gay porn shops. The people and the activity inside isnt for me.

I should totally make a law about it...

[BacktoBasics]

I'm going to say it again

This country wasn't founded on majority/minority governing. Its founded on the personal rights given to each citizen.

[Dex]

And I could see both sides if it wasn't a health issue.



I agree with all that exept the minority part. It's become a majority issue with people pushing this on their elected officials which is why government is stepping in.

If anything, it's Philip Morris etc that keep paying out to try to keep smoking allowed everywhere you go.

The only reason I bring up the minority is because of the amount of non-smoking bars you would see BEFORE the ban.

Bar owners knew that if you didn't allow smoking in your bar, you probably weren't going to get the customers you needed to survive.

I can totally understand why people would want to be able to go to a bar without dealing with second hand smoke. I'm always very conscientious with my smoking, try to keep it away from other people, put my cigarettes out appropriately, etc...It just seems like taking the places that were meant for people to smoke, and making them non-smoking, is counter intuitive.