You can't reason with them that way. They whether they want to enter or not feel a right to control what happens inside someone else's business even though it literally has zero effect on their lives.
people don't go to bars to smoke, they go to socialize, they just happen to smoke while they are there. Smoking isn't the reason they are out. The bars in Austin didn't lose any money or business with the smoking ban. In fact the smart bars built nice decks that smokers and non-smokers use. Most bars still sell cigs...When i visit SA my clothes smell like a freaking ashtray after I go out. You'd be surprised the difference a smoke free club/bar makes on your night.
I dont go to porn shops either because I dont need the porn.
I go to a bar to get a drink. I go to a pool hall to shoot pool. I go to a bowling alley to bowl.
I do not got to a Humidor because I don't smoke.
I do not eat green eggs and ham.
I'll say it again too.
you do not have the right to shoot me in the face.
Next.
You're a ing idiot. Your correlation is ing pointless.
edit: you do not have the right to shoot me in the face in a bar, whether or not I could have chosen to not enter said bar.
oh and I agree. I don't have the right to shoot you in the face. Its illegal.
But if shooting you in the face was legal and you choose to walk into a bar that promoted face shooting you can't mother ing complain about being shot in the face.
you are dumb. The rubber sole on my shoe understand the ability to choose better than you do.
ok fine I'll try the edited version. Shooting you in the face is illegal. Smoking isn't.
Smoking isn't illegal.
We want the right to legally consume something in a place that you have a choice to enter or not. A place that affects your life to the tune of zero if you don't walk in.
Yoda terms:
stupid moron you are.
Your analogies are pointless. You are aguring the partial outlawing of a legal substance to accomodate your preference when your preference should be to not enter the building.
They didn't say anything about crack.
Good Lord.........
Shooting me in the face is harmful. Secondhand smoke is harmful.
Secondhand smoke is illegal in most public places already because of it's obvious effects.
Again, I don't want to go to a humidor. I want to go to a pool hall.
i think your shoe is doing the typing for you while you arent looking
Is there such a thing as second hand crack? I honestly don't know enough about the stuff.......
if not, then by all means do whatever crack you want as long as it doesn't affect me.
Exactly.
You and your 4 year old get out of my farking smoke filled grocery store.
I'm going to go ahead and copy this line and paste it for the next time, which I know is coming.
Second hand smoke is.
ed re are you
This is why I'm an advocate for outlawing it where people can't proactively remove themselves. IE children.
Why do you keep pointing out something that I'm agreeing with you on. You're beating your own dead ing horse moron.You and your 4 year old get out of my farking smoke filled grocery store.
I agree with the line I've said it a million times. Its a compromise many many many people were willing to make to protect those who cannot protect themselves.
If a dip mom wants to take her 4 year to the grocer the 4 year old has no choice. Many many many people are willing to compromise the rights of the grocery store owner because it impeads on the health of the child who does not have the ability to rationally choose a healthier lifestyle because mom is forcing them to enter.
The bar is not the same because its adults only were each and everyone who enters does so by their own free will.
Its not the same. I'm sorry you're too stupid to see the difference between an adults only bar and a child being dragged to the grocer by the kids irresponsible mom.
Not everything is ing black and white. You have to see the entire picture. You are just too stupid to see that no two things are alike.
This has been a great battle despite some very weak power punches but all the nice jabs are making it very entertaining.
what the FARK.
Who the do you think you are that you can call that mom irresponsible by taking her to the grocery store.
So then you agree that it boils down to preference not rights.
If 5 smoke free bars open and people migrate there then the owner should consider changing his policy. We all agree on that.
So why strip the rights from the owner in the first place. Simply allow him to retain his rights while promoting smoke free bars...perhaps with a tax break.
If the market doesn't dictate a change then you were wrong.
Just because something works in a ban doesn't mean that equates to success. Obviously one thing would be successful if you eliminated the second option. Thats just common sense.
This is a matter of one group wanting to control something that doesn't belong to them because they know that opening up their own establishment to compete wouldn't work. That model fails so instead just enact control over someone. We will force them to do it our because our wouldn't fair well in a Pepsi challenge against yours. Thats ed up. Its uncons utional and UnAmerican.
Even though its becoming the style of this country. We don't like how you do things over there. We'll take you over. Horrible.
You get more and more dumb at the thread pushes on.
I'm not the one calling the mom irresponsible you are. Your people are. So you enacted your laws to protect the child and everyone else. Did you not?
This is you not me. I think it wrong to have any smoke ban but I understand why and I'm willing to buy into it because deep down inside this type of change is a good thing.
All we wanted was a little compromise here. All while still giving you the ability to financially compete against us.
i would agree with you, but no one complains about it anymore. It's a non-issue here. If there were still an uproar about it, i'd say you were right. But there just isn't. People like to smoke out on the balconies and patios. They're usually more crowded than the inside of bars. It's been win-win as far as i can tell.
You all must learn to relax and get along.
I think you hear less and less about it because over the course of the last 50 years the ability for the common man to fight for his rights and win have diminished exponentially.
To me this is what it boils down to.
We say things
"man if they even imposed martial law in this country we'd be outraged"
Yeah you would be and then after a short rant the large majority would fall into line and just deal with it. So long as they were told they still had some freedoms.
People have fought and won in court against the IRS for not paying taxes because taxing labor and wages is uncons utional. They won. Outright won and guess what the rest of us still pay our taxes.
The ability to truely fight and win is almost completely gone. The general public just falls into line. They jail or abuse the ones who speak the loudest until everyone just tunes them out.
And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror.
I'm certainly guilty for paying taxes thats for sure.
Right, because the smoking bans that we currently have put in place were done so "because of the kids"
you're right. Drops my IQ does the more I read one of your screaming posts.
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