why do spurs have such pathetic offense???

[xtremesteven33]

thanks for contributing. Doesn't change the fact that when Spurs face a decent team with a decent big, we are in deep . Duncan is slowed down and like many say live by the 3 die by the 3.

An offense that relies on pure 3pt shooting is pathetic IMO.

and we were averaging 100+ppg. yeah, but many of our players were shooting lights out from 3pt in those games. Anybody who expected this to continue all season and through playoffs is dumb.

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December

[Kori Ellis]

Your offense has to be geared toward your personnel. The Spurs run pick n roll, isos up top, Timmy in the block, and penetration (drive all the way or kick to 3 point shooters) because it suits who they have on the floor. They can't run a 7 seconds or less offense, because they don't have the horses for it.

When their offense gets stagnant is when Tony and Manu don't trust their teammates and go iso too much, when there's no movement in the motion offense, or when the 3 point shooters go dry.

But when it comes down to it, this offense is pretty good for the personnel that they have.

[xtremesteven33]

Your offense has to be geared toward your personnel. The Spurs run pick n roll, isos up top, Timmy in the block, and penetration (drive all the way or kick to 3 point shooters) because it suits who they have on the floor. They can't run a 7 seconds or less offense, because they don't have the horses for it.

When their offense gets stagnant is when Tony and Manu don't trust their teammates and go iso too much, when there's no movement in the motion offense, or when the 3 point shooters go dry.

But when it comes down to it, this offense is pretty good for the personnel that they have.

It was worse in 1999 and we still won a championship.

the gameplan was: "Give it to Duncan"

[mexicanjunior]

I don't think the Spurs offense is pathetic but I do think it's inconsistent. The Spurs have great shooters, no doubt. However, when they're off, there is no plan B. Because they're a skilled outside shooting team, the Spurs will usually have great offensive nights.

But when the shots aren't falling, it can get ugly.

Agreed...this offense can be successful against poor defensive rotating team's but that won't be who the Spurs would face deep in the playoffs...

[bigdog]

The Spurs offense is not a bad offense. It's just not as flexible as people would like. The thing I hate is all the iso's on the perimeter. Sure, Manu and TP are pretty good handling the ball, but I'd like to see some more screens for shooters and more ball movement. Other than that, the Spurs have been getting alot of good open shots, they just haven't been falling.

Had they been making their shots, I don't think this thread would be here right now. Alot of their losses aren't because of the defense, it's just that the balls don't go into the bucket.

[superbigtime]

It seems all we do is one of the following:
Option 1: give it to duncan at the post and pray.
Option 2: pick n roll. TP + TD
Option 3: Dribble, find an open 3pt shooter, shoot. (don't bother rebounding)
Option 4: don't even bother passing, just fake your defender and shoot a fadeaway

they are playing offense like I play nba live. Either give it to Duncan or shoot a 3.

I see too much standing around, too much, way too much thinking. It seems most of the time they are not letting the game come to them. It's sad because they are 4 time champions!

I am no NBA coach but isn't there anything else they should try on offense???

oh and what ever happened to trying to get a foul call while driving to the basket????????

Because we have a defensive coach. We are 30th in the league in fast break points and 29th in paint points. Too much outside shooting.

[SenorSpur]

Sometimes it comes down to simply making shots. If the Spurs make their shots versus the Hornets, they win easily. However, making shots wasn't the only problem on display. There are more areas of concern.

- Scoring droughts
- Defensive breakdowns
- Outquicked, outrebounded and outhustled
- Losing the turnover battle

Where I've seen this movie before? Oh yes. This was on display during last year's playoffs versus Hornets and Fakers. Such is the life of an older NBA team. When the Big Three are struggling (particularly on back-to-backs), the bench HAS to step up and provide a lift. That hasn't happened either.

Guys like Hill, Mason, Bonner, Tolliver and Ian (when he finally makes his debut) will need to make big contributions to offset the faitigue realized by the older players. Pop is going to have to develop that depth on the fly.

[xtremesteven33]

When the Spurs win, its cause of experience
When the Spurs lose, its cause theyre old

[SenorSpur]

When the Spurs win, its cause of experience
When the Spurs lose, its cause theyre old

...when the Spurs play B2B games, their age works against them.

[mrspurs]

...when the Spurs play B2B games, they're age works against them.

You can add this to the program as well. When this team plays 7 games series they're age works against them as well. But who knows maybe, just maybe Ian will show up and play some ball this year in a Spurs uniform. I bet Timmy is hoping so too.

[mrspurs]

Sometimes it comes down to simply making shots. If the Spurs make their shots versus the Hornets, they win easily. However, making shots wasn't the only problem on display. There are more areas of concern.

- Scoring droughts
- Defensive breakdowns
- Outquicked, outrebounded and outhustled
- Losing the turnover battle

Where I've seen this movie before? Oh yes. This was on display during last year's playoffs versus Hornets and Fakers. Such is the life of an older NBA team. When the Big Three are struggling (particularly on back-to-backs), the bench HAS to step up and provide a lift. That hasn't happened either.

Guys like Hill, Mason, Bonner, Tolliver and Ian (when he finally makes his debut) will need to make big contributions to offset the faitigue realized by the older players. Pop is going to have to develop that depth on the fly.

Well said. Lets hope the sooner the better for the On the Fly...........

[Allanon]

...when the Spurs play B2B games, they're age works against them.

This also worries me about the Spurs, I don't know if it's age or hustle.

Remember that play when Tim Duncan, of all people, was the only one back on defense on a 4 on 1? Tim looked back and was like WTF, where are my teammates?

I haven't really felt bad for Timmy this year, even when he was forced to play without Tony and Manu. But I felt bad for him on that play.

[YODA]

I dont think there is much problem with the O....Other the the obvious missing of open shots, the only thing I saw was a lack of driving to the basket. I kinda saw the game like this. Early on, timmy, TP, and manu attacked rim often, but ref's were letting them play and not making calls. I think they got frustrated by this and started to take a ton of outside shots. I know timmy and TP were alot less likely to drive in the later periods. Of course they were tiried, but I think we still need to keep attacking. usuallty its attack and pass out, which is where the passing game comes together. It looked like they just passed around perimiter till someone was open and shot. no attempt to drive at all. Ill just chalk it up as a back to back.

On another note, I thought Bonners D was really shown as a defeciency versus hornets. Pop tried to useThomas and it worked. I worry how Bonner will do in playoffs. A huge concern.

last thing,,,is TP hurt?

[Spur-Addict]

This also worries me about the Spurs, I don't know if it's age or hustle.

Remember that play when Tim Duncan, of all people, was the only one back on defense on a 4 on 1? Tim looked back and was like WTF, where are my teammates?
I haven't really felt bad for Timmy this year, even when he was forced to play without Tony and Manu. But I felt bad for him on that play.

I think it's a little of both.

--He knows he needs some help, but he's too much of a pro and good person to bring that to the forefront. He'll ride this until it breaks because he's that good of a person. We'll see, but something has to be done.

[ducks]

Do they have a pathetic offense?

In December, what are they averaging, 101 points per game?

tp sucks is not a point guard
it is all tp's fault
do not confuse the haters with FACTS

[TDMVPDPOY]

you forgot option 1b, my name is tony parker, ima dribble down court, look left and right, i see open man, no i wont pass the ball, i drive it into the lane, i spin inside out, i studder step 2 guys, i throw up a floater, no contact foul, i flop to the floor and whine to the refs....ball bounces out.

[ducks]

you forgot option 1b, my name is tony parker, ima dribble down court, look left and right, i see open man, no i wont pass the ball, i drive it into the lane, i spin inside out, i studder step 2 guys, i throw up a floater, no contact foul, i flop to the floor and whine to the refs....ball bounces out.

pop benches players that do not follow his orders
if tp did that he would be benched
especially since hill has played so well

[itzsoweezee]

the spurs couldn't score last night because NO ONE WAS MOVING! i was screaming at screen. especially in the beginning of the third quarter. those guys weren't even trying.

[mrspurs]

This also worries me about the Spurs, I don't know if it's age or hustle.

Remember that play when Tim Duncan, of all people, was the only one back on defense on a 4 on 1? Tim looked back and was like WTF, where are my teammates?

I haven't really felt bad for Timmy this year, even when he was forced to play without Tony and Manu. But I felt bad for him on that play.

I started feeling sorry for Timmy when they sent Elson away and brought in Kurt. (so late in the season). And when the PO's started I really felt sorry for him. Being doubled by Amare and Shaq and carrying his team with his own 3 point shot. Then followed by Tyson(who can defend Timmy one on one), and West against the Hornets. I saw alot of faces Timmy made that said....Where are my teamates? And they still havnt given him any help. I hope Ian is gonna be ready soon. Timvp said it before the season even started if I remember. This season could lie in the hands of Ian. Or something to that nature.

[timvp]

In their last ten wins, the Spurs are averaging 108.6 points per game.

In their last eight loss, the Spurs are averaging 80.6 points per game.

A "pathetic offense" isn't really the problem. Those numbers point to a lack of consistency.

[hitmanyr2k]

There was a time when this team used to have players cutting to the rim for easy baskets. Now it's like all of their passes are going towards the perimeter. Too many shooters spotting up waiting for a kickout instead of diving towards the rim when Duncan gets doubled. Someone needs to show Popovich Game 2 of the '05 Finals when the Spurs offense ran a clinic on passing and ball movement. Where has that team gone?

[Rohirrim]

Bonner is adding the dunk to his game guys.

A couple more weeks of doing stairs in AT&T and Spurs will be unstoppable.

[m33p0]

why do spurs have such pathetic fans???

[Amuseddaysleeper]

why do spurs have such pathetic fans???

because they have such pathetic offense

[HillCountrySpursFan]

The offense has been incredibly inconsistent and the defense hasn't been that much better, and the last 2 games are living proof of that...against teams that hustle, that do have consistent shooters, the spurs came up short, they looked like they ran out of gas and it's only December.....Finley isn't consistent, Bonner has been ok for a few games and shot lights out, but not when it mattered.....