The "Immortal" Lakers

[Allanon]

You are starting to lose me kind sir, statements like this are disturbing.

Mr. Spur-Addict

Have you seen how many shots Al Jefferson and Kevin Durant get? They shoot like 20-30 times a game.

Bynum's lucky if he gets 10 shots a game. Give Bynum 20 shots per game with a green light to shoot 30 shots and he'll give you at least a 20 point average.

[Allanon]

Awesome, all that says is if Bynum was allowed to be a ball hog and only care about scoring points, he could put up good numbers. That does nothing to disprove the argument many are drawing that Bynum is more concerned with inflating his stats than doing what it takes to help the Lakers win, if anything it helps the argument.

I didn't disagree with that notion at all. I think Bynum's alot about his stats right now and I think that's why Phil is reigning him back.

Phil's trying to force-feed Defense and Team to Bynum and rewarding him with some shots if he plays Defense first. Next time you get a chance to watch the Lakers, you'll see Bynum gets yanked permanently if he's got 13 points and is NOT playing good defense.

But if Bynum's playing well on D, Phil will call some plays for him and let him try to go for 20 points.

[Spur-Addict]

Mr. Spur-Addict

Have you seen how many shots Al Jefferson and Kevin Durant get? They shoot like 20-30 times a game.

Bynum's lucky if he gets 10 shots a game. Give Bynum 20 shots per game with a green light to shoot 30 shots and he'll give you at least a 20 point average.

What you are forgetting is the fact that the game of those two players is far more polished than Bynum's. Are you going to seriously go to Bynum as a number one option with an under developed offensive game? No.

Al Jeff's game is far superior in regards to being polished. The footwork of bynum is suspect right now, plus you can't go to him in the clutch in a realistic sense. Alot of the offensive production this guy gets right now is due to playing with talented offensive players. Let that man be solo in that regard and he will not produce like Al Jeff.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Mr. Spur-Addict

Have you seen how many shots Al Jefferson and Kevin Durant get? They shoot like 20-30 times a game.

Bynum's lucky if he gets 10 shots a game. Give Bynum 20 shots per game with a green light to shoot 30 shots and he'll give you at least a 20 point average.

Ok, and the Lakers would lose a lot of games in the process. Are you a Laker fan or a Bynum groupie?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Al Jefferson also never cried because his coach yelled at him, Bynum is a big who is lucky he never has to hear about how much he would suck in the 4th quarter. Phil is doing him a favor.

[Allanon]

What you are forgetting is the fact that the game of those two players is far more polished than Bynum's. Are you going to seriously go to Bynum as a number one option with an under developed offensive game? No.

Al Jeff's game is far superior in regards to being polished. The footwork of bynum is suspect right now, plus you can't go to him in the clutch in a realistic sense. Alot of the offensive production this guy gets right now is due to playing with talented offensive players. Let that man be solo in that regard and he will not produce like Al Jeff.

I beg to differ. I think Bynum's offensive game is suffering on the Lakers. If he were freed to a bad team, Bynum will quickly become the Man.

Bynum outplayed Jefferson just a couple of weeks ago. I don't know if you saw the Minnesota vs Lakers game but 1 on 1, Al Jefferson could not stop Bynum while Bynum stopped Jefferson time and again. Al had a terrible game.

[xtremesteven33]

Al Jefferson > Andrew Bynum

anyday of the week, twice on sunday

[Spur-Addict]

I beg to differ. I think Bynum's offensive game is suffering on the Lakers. If he were freed to a bad team, Bynum will quickly become the Man.

I don't know if you saw the Minnesota vs Lakers game but 1 on 1, Al Jefferson could not stop Bynum while Bynum easily scored on Big Al in the Post. Bynum outplayed Jefferson just a couple of weeks ago. Al had a terrible game.

One on one doesn't matter. This is a continual stretch of play as being the man.

I don't know if you watched the Memphis game last night, but Darko and Marc Gasol were giving him problems when he posted up. Even 6'9 thin Warrick at times. And you seem to think all players under 6'10 will be dominated by Bynum.

If you honestly think he's a better offensive player than Al Jefferson, there is nothing I can do here.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I beg to differ. I think Bynum's offensive game is suffering on the Lakers. If he were freed to a bad team, Bynum will quickly become the Man.

Bynum outplayed Jefferson just a couple of weeks ago. I don't know if you saw the Minnesota vs Lakers game but 1 on 1, Al Jefferson could not stop Bynum while Bynum stopped Jefferson time and again. Al had a terrible game.

Ya, 20 points and 13 rebounds is terrible. I'd take the 14 point 9 rebound game By-dumb had any day.

[Allanon]

Ya, 20 points and 13 rebounds is terrible. I'd take the 14 point 9 rebound game By-dumb had any day.

Al Jefferson took 24 shots to score those 20 points. I like Al but he had a terrible game

Bynum took 11 shots to score 14.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

If only the Lakers had allanon instead of Phil Jackson as coach. Benching someone as talented and motivated as Bynum in the 4th quarter, what an idiot. Allanon must know a lot more about Bynum's talent than a coach who's won 9 championships.

[Allanon]

If only the Lakers had allanon instead of Phil Jackson as coach. Benching someone as talented and motivated as Bynum in the 4th quarter, what an idiot. Allanon must know a lot more about Bynum's talent than a coach who's won 9 championships.

Not at all.

I totally agree about benching Bynum. I think he's too much about scoring points right now, he needs to concentrate back on defense. Some of the Lakers recent problems were due to Bynum's lack of focus on D.

Everybody knows Bynum can score, but the Lakers need defense, not a scorer. Bench his ass until he puts as much effort on D as he does on O.

[Spur-Addict]

Al Jefferson took 24 shots to score those 20 points. I like Al but he had a terrible game

Bynum took 11 shots to score 14.

Yeah but are his points coming the same way? No. He isn't posting up to get his points constantly. Which means that alot of his points come from nice passes for dunks etc.

If he posts as much as Al Jeff he wouldn't as efficient on a consistent basis.

[Allanon]

Yeah but are his points coming the same way? No. He isn't posting up to get his points constantly. Which means that alot of his points come from nice passes for dunks etc.

If he posts as much as Al Jeff he wouldn't as efficient on a consistent basis.

In that game, Bynum did get most of his points on post-ups but it's not consistent and changes with the matchups.

Philip has Bynum posting up high and Gasol posting up low in most games of late, Bynum doesn't get many low post-ups.

This is why I think Bynum would be a scoring monster on a weaker team.

It's the unfortunate side effect of having two skilled 7 footers + Kobe.

[Spur-Addict]

In that game, Bynum did get most of his points on post-ups but it's not consistent and changes with the matchups.

Philip has Bynum posting up high and Gasol posting up low in most games of late, Bynum doesn't get many low post-ups.

This is why I think Bynum would be a scoring monster on a weaker team.

It's the unfortunate side effect of having two skilled 7 footers + Kobe.

In a single game.

Whereas in Memphis he had low post opportunites and got shut down there. His game isn't polished enough yet to be as efficient as Al Jeff.

[Allanon]

In a single game.

Whereas in Memphis he had low post opportunites and got shut down there. His game isn't polished enough yet to be as efficient as Al Jeff.

I think Bynum did well in Memphis, he shot 75% and got his "13 points". He had I think 2 really nice post moves.

He didn't get many minutes (especially in the 4th) because his Defense was suspect.

[Spur-Addict]

I think Bynum did well in Memphis, he shot 75% and got his "13 points". He had I think 2 really nice post moves.

He didn't get many minutes (especially in the 4th) because his Defense was suspect.

Excuse for not caring about his FG%, dude gets alot of easy dunks from his talented teammates. At least three to four of those shots were by oops or direct passes for dunks. Those easy looks on a consistent basis go away on a poor team. His percentages are seriously inflated because of that.

His post game isn't polished by any means, but he is effective at times. All his misses come basically for the most part when he has to work to score. He isn't there yet to be that guy.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

There's really no way to argue about it, Allanon is stubborn in his belief that Bynum is better than Al Jefferson, it's not even an argument worthy of discussion because Allanon is probably the one person who believes it and isn't budging on his belief, but I think it is extremely inaccurate to call Bynum's post game polished, most of his shots come off of poor defense and him getting handed great post position.