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good player on a bad team
Hit a gamewinning 3 just then against Pacers.
good player on a bad team
what a great young player..... no GM would be dumb enough to trade him away for an old washed up player
the nets are .500, they are not a bad team. harris and VC are killin' it. probably the best backcourt in the NBA
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So you think the Nets can hang with the big boys? I dont think so.
Good thing they are on rebuilding mode.
to think the Mavs gave up 2 first round draft picks on top of the deal. where's the conspiracy theories?
Haven't we been over this? One situation doesn't equal the other. Harris playing for the Nets is entirely different than what you'd get if he were still with the Mavs. But if you want to continue to beat this horse to death, have at it...
Letting Nash go wasn't a mistake. The Kidd/Harris trade, OTOH...historically bad. Good call on Kidd to the Lakers for the MLE...he goes either there or Cleveland.
Explain that one. How is it historically bad? We still got a great player back, and those first round picks probably weren't going to get us anyways. Who of significance were we going to get with our MLE if we didn't have to spend it on Diop? Name me the last free agent of consequence that has signed here.
And Devin hasn't done anything beyond play one very impressive quarter of a season. Nothing more.
What happens if the Mavs pull some miracles out their ass and win a le? Still "historically bad"?
If Devin Harris wins a le in New Jersey, I'll agree. If he does this for another decade and the Mavs become annual 20 game winners for that entire decade, then I agree. Unless that happens I think it's obtuse to call this trade historically bad. It was a calculated risk taken by the Mavs that hasn't worked out.
at the Devin Harris video in your sig
If the Nets had Kidd instead of Harris, they would be in last place.
True.
But if he was still with the Mavs, he probably woudn't have gotten the run he's getting with the Nets to prove to everybody how good he was/is.
We paid 175 cents on the dollar for Kidd. What was our record when Devin got hurt? What is our record with Kidd?
We got a good player backWe still got a great player back,
We're in the West, and we could easily miss out on the playoffs in 2010. If that happens, we traded Devin (All-Star caliber player), the pick that became Ryan Anderson and a lottery pick for Kidd.and those first round picks probably weren't going to get us anyways.
Diop could've been resigned w/o the MLE, and somebody not sucky like Diop could've been signed with it. I didn't say we could've landed a superduperstar with the MLE, but a rotation caliber player.Who of significance were we going to get with our MLE if we didn't have to spend it on Diop?
The only question with Devin is his fragility. He had trouble playing 70+ games for Dallas. I don't think we would be getting 25 and 5 from him here in Dallas, but more like 18 and 4. That would be great. If Devin continues to demonstrate TMac and Yao-level durability, then I'll agree that it wasn't a historically bad trade. But it's starting to take on that sheen. What makes you think that he can't keep doing this when he's healthy? What is going to change?And Devin hasn't done anything beyond play one very impressive quarter of a season. Nothing more.
I don't even really concern myself with this hypothetical. Do you?What happens if the Mavs pull some miracles out their ass and win a le? Still "historically bad"?
Right now, we're looking at the Mavs having thrown away an All-Star caliber and long-term solution at PG, one that had signed an extension and is locked up at a bargain rate, two first-round picks, one of which could still be a lottery pick, in exchange for a still good but hardly great player who will sign with Cleveland or the Lakers next summer, and since the Mavs are way over the cap, he won't even bring us cap relief when he comes off our books...all of that for a season and a half of mediocre basketball...If Devin Harris wins a le in New Jersey, I'll agree. If he does this for another decade and the Mavs become annual 20 game winners for that entire decade, then I agree. Unless that happens I think it's obtuse to call this trade historically bad. It was a calculated risk taken by the Mavs that hasn't worked out.
If we end up reloading in 2010, then I'll say Cuban did a nimble job of salvaging a bad situation, but sacrificing Devin on the altar of 2010 was not the master plan.
Talent shines through in the end.
One thing the Kidd trade confirms is how overrated the intangible aspects of basketball are. I have no doubt that Kidd is a great leader and has heart but that doesn't win basketball games. It just so happens when a team becomes a champion people will prescribe traits such as "toughness, leadership, and heart" to that team, but when a team doesn't prevail they'll be descirbed as soft, lacking a leader, lacking heart, etc.
The Mavs current woes have nothing to do with heart, leadership, or toughness... it's just a matter of lacking a few necessary pieces... it was the same before Kidd as well... if we had a shooting guard or an offensive center all this time I'm willing to bet those criticisms would've been put to rest.
The 2006 Finals, the Golden State series... none of that had to do with Dirk lacking "leadership"... it had to do with Dirk not being a "superduperstar" and not having enough surrounding talent to offset that fact. (FWIW, the 2006 Finals were tainted by the refs, bull , rigged, etc)
Jordan, Duncan, Shaq, Lebron, Kobe... these are transcendent superstars who can be centerpiece of a championship team. Dirk is not at the level of these players, in order for the Mavs to win a championship the Mavs would have to emulate a team like the 2004 Pistons or the 2008 Celtics... a team that's lacking a true #1 option, but has a good ensamble of talent and thus can win a le anyway due to multiple "1.5 options", depth, defense, etc.
I must say, even though I think the Mavs would only be slightly better with Harris, the reason it is a bad trade is because I think we WOULD be better w/ Harris (even though not on the level of the big 3)... so we made a slight downgrade, + lost draft picks and lose a "PG of the future".
Our offense, which was elite for 5-6 straight years, now has become mediocre, ranking 13th in the league in efficiency.
All that being said, I wouldn't call it a historically bad trade just yet... we'll have to see what happens in the coming years for our beloved Mavs.
Hustle, speed, defense, and slashing I consider intangibles as well. Kidd no longer excels in these 4 categories. So I disagree about the intangibles you say that are overrated.
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