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Would SJax come off the bench if Pop asked him to? Would he play second fiddle to TD or TP? What is the contract situation with him? Is he cheaper than Manu? Does his contract expire in 2010?
I would first offer Finley, Udoka, Manhimi, and Voughn (Splitter's rights if needed). Finley, Udoka, and Voughn are all expiring contracts. Manhimi is a nice prospect that I don't think is ever going to pan out, but GSW might be interested
If they didn't want that, then I would offer Manu for SJax and Anthony Randolph straight up.
Manu is getting older and more injury prone and I think it would be wise to get great value for him while we can.
SJax coming back to SA would be a dream come true.
Parker/Hill
Mason/Manu/Bowen
SJax/Bonner
Duncan/Randolph
Oberto/Thomas
or
Parker/Hill
Mason/Finley/
SJax/Bowen/Udoka
Duncan/Bonner
Oberto/Thomas
The first scenario is unbelievably sick, but the 2nd scenario could easily happen and would be incredible.
Would SJax come off the bench if Pop asked him to? Would he play second fiddle to TD or TP? What is the contract situation with him? Is he cheaper than Manu? Does his contract expire in 2010?
Would love to have Jack back. I don't think Manu is 100% still. He's playing erratically, ala last year's playoffs.
Doubtful
PossiblyWould he play second fiddle to TD or TP?
He's signed through 2012/2013What is the contract situation with him?
His current contract is.Is he cheaper than Manu? Does his contract expire in 2010?
Doesn't change the fact that he's a headcase.
We wouldn't need him to come off the bench. See my depth chart above.
He would be one of the big 3 with TD and TP. He did it before.
His contract is locked in for 5 years which is good in my book. Who cares about it expiring in 2010? When is the last time the Spurs were ever able to lure a big FA to S.A.? Having capspace in the summer of 2010 is not a priority for the Spurs because they aren't going to land Lebron, Wade, Bosh, or any other big time FA.
No trade for SJax is realistic because of his contract.
He's a nice complementary player - but vastly overpaid for what he is.
No one wants his contract. Move along. Besides, Golden State does not want a bunch of players they won't play and have no room for in return.
He wasn't a headcase playing under Pop before and wouldn't be this time around either. Pop is one of the few people that SJax thrives under.
So you're confident he'll be worth $10 million a year when he's 35? I think you're just in love.
He averages 18.6 PPG, 4.4 RPG, and 6 APG. How the is he overpaid?
Manu makes more than SJax and doesn't have as good of stats. Is Manu overpaid as well?
LOL I guess you didn't really follow the team back when he played for the Spurs.
I'm in love with the Spurs winning Championships and SJax gives us that much needed extra punch to compete with LA and Boston for the rest of the Tim Duncan era. I'm not really concerned with going through a year of paying Jax $10M if he helped bring in 1-3 more Championships in the next 4 years.
So I guess his FG% of 38.5% really impresses you? Maybe his 28.3% 3PT%? How about his 3.8 turnovers/game?
WTF are you talking about? Jackson did thrive under Pop. There were no headcase problems when he was in S.A.
Fans also don't see the respect Jackson has from every coach and teammate he's had. "Love him," Tim Duncan says of the man he considers one of his all-time favorite teammates. "He's had his issues, but he's got the right thing in mind."Still, says Popovich, "I know his heart. He's a sweet man."
You don't remember him throwing a fit after he got benched? Selective memory?
I don't care if he's averaging 30 ppg - he's shooting 38.5% (38.5!!!) from the floor. I'm sorry, but that's terrible. He's only shooting 28.3% from 3. He needs almost 17 shots/game to get those points.
Compare that to Manu who is shooting 45% from the floor, and 37.5% from 3 (that's right, Manu's shooting 3s almost as well as Sjax shoots from anywhere). Manu gets his points on only 10 shots/game.
I wouldn't talk up his rebounding either, Finley actually has rebounded at the same rate as Jackson this year.
He's a nice role player and good defender when he wants to be - but he's paid like a star, and that he's not.
All of that would probably improve in our system...but I digress.
Manu for Capt. Jack would be very tempting...mostly for what he could bring in the next 4 of seasons as the Duncan era comes to a close. The way Manu plays I think this season and next season will probably be it from a productivity standpoint. Jack would also fill our long standing need at SF and would take up the scoring slack from losing Manu.
It would never happen because Manu is firmly entrenched into this team...but I would not bash it if it did.
There is nobody to take the defensive pressure off him in GS. He is the focal point of the defense. Everybody that has followed the Spurs for more than a year knows that Tim Duncan and Tony Parker's penetration takes a ton of pressure off all the other Spurs players and they get wide open shots. SJax's FG % would look drastically different with the Spurs being the 3rd priority of the opposing defense rather than the #1 priority in GS.
Manu and SJax average the exact same amount of turnovers/48 minutes of playing time. SJax has a better assist/TO ratio.
Surely you can't be this dense.
He's not paid like a star. His salary is fairly low (relatively).
His percentages are pretty bad this year, but he's a career 41% shooter .. Allen Iverson and Gilbert Arenas are career 42% shooters and they are max players.
With Jack, you aren't paying for a high percentage shooter - you are paying for the heart and clutch factor.
That said, I think his contract is too long for the Spurs to even think about it, and I wouldn't want to trade Manu.
It probably would. But his FGA and 3PTA would also drop. So his PPG would go down. I'd guess it would hover at 12-13PPG. Same as Money Mason. But no, let's trade a guy everyone on the team loves and who just might be the most clutch player on the team for a guy who loves to shoot and turn the ball over. By all means, I'm sure a 30 year old Stephen Jackson is a better option than a 31 year old Manu Ginobili.
spurs need a big against the lakers and celtics. Period. they don't need sjax
hahahaha
I forgot Corey Maggette hasn't played all season. And that guy Biedrins really sucks. Al Harrington didn't play before he got traded right? Jamal Crawford must average like 2 PPG.
I guess it's all because of the opposing defenses his shooting % sucks this year.
I thought this was done when Manu decided he was a star. I guess some people really have a boner for SJax.
The question you have to ask yourself is :
Would I make this trade if I was GS' GM ?
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