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LOL... this is a horrible troll for this topic, since Penn & Teller are huge atheists and did a show trashing the bible.
god is just a statistic
LOL... this is a horrible troll for this topic, since Penn & Teller are huge atheists and did a show trashing the bible.
So who tells you to have faith in the Dallas Mavericks?
I always try to keep an open mind about life even when ChumpDumper is trying to convince me WTC 7 fell on it's own, or that jet fuel evaporated all the seats and human remains inside the pentagon, I still leave a crack in the door for any evidence he may present to me.
I for one found the Zeitgeist movie very interesting. At first it seemed like some sort of Atheist propaganda movie trying to get people to stop believing in GOD. But being an open minded person I allowed the film to explain itself.
Some of the facts in the film did make me question my faith. Like the story about Jesus being born on December 25th and coming back from the dead after 3 days was told in another country years before the bible says it took place.
After all you have to have pause and you must look at all the evidence in order to come to a conclusion. But keep in mind that pancake has two sides.
For example if someone digs up a Dinosaur and they find a knife in it's belly you have to say maybe Dinosaurs where around when man was on earth.
You can't be one sided on every issue or you will be labeled bias like many in this topic have already labeled themselves.
Another thing you have to watch out who you quote or you will be stereotyped like I was when I quoted Kent Hovind when he said the fossil chart was wrong. As soon as I reviled my sources I was labeled a Bible thumper.
That is like saying that the man who made the movie Zeitgeist was arrested for having a roach in his ashtray is a pot head therefore his movie is false.
Does it really matter if Ben Franklin was a closet , or that Einstein liked to be tea bagged? What does any of that have to do with the facts they have proven?
I have learned unless someone with an open mind and that can actually debate without saying face every other post responds to a topic I may give my 2 cents but i don't see that in this topic just yet.
Last edited by mouse; 12-27-2008 at 04:47 PM.
It depends on how you define "God."
I agree it depends on one's definition of God. I definitely believe in a "higher power". But that power is within me.
How do you know he was talking about the bible? And second, there are many writings that are at least 3000 years old.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...t-writing.html
Then if that theory can be altered by Christopher Columbus then why can't Evolution be altered by Dr. Hovind?As a matter of fact we shouldn't buy into anything created in modern time. I'm going to look for my thousand year old copy of "The Earth is Flat" because its old.
I think his point was the same way you have the right to believe in a video he has the right to believe in a book.I'm not even sure what your point is.
Oh, and in response to the OP:
That depends on what the definition of "is" is.
I hate how some people rag on others for their belief in GOD. I know it's a controversial topic but so many people have found great strength in their faith. I know people that thanks largely to their faith overcame illness. Whether what they believe in or not is true, it doesn't matter. They believed in it strongly enough that it helped them get through a terrible time. And that's a great thing..
I don't know what it is, but the hardcore athiests/agnostics always get unreasonably upset during these debates. It's almost as if deep down you guys really believe in God but hate him because you feel you were wronged at some point in your life or not loved as a child. Just my observation
I wouldn't rag on someone for their belief on God, but I do think this conversation is entirely worthless and mock the idea that people would seriously take part in it.
Sorry guys, but a thread on ST isn't going to solve human kind's largest metaphysical question. Best to move on to something else, IMO.
I just prefer to have faith in myself rather than waste my time on a devine being that may or may not exist. If there happens to be a God, he should be able to judge me on my actions throughout my life and not be biased because I didnt go to his house every week or pray for his forgiveness on some trivial event in my life that I may have made a mistake on. I think its a waste of time to dwell on that crap.
Religion largely irks me as a whole because in some form it has been at the root of all wars, if not just a small reason for it. What makes one religion right and the other one wrong? Its just another form of racism and religious people, as a whole, are full of crap when they say they dont mind other's beliefs. One thing I'd like people to think about is what happens if there was a catastrophic event that nearly wiped out the human race and completely ignore all thoughts about the apocolypse.
Lets say there's a massive world war that causes all nukes to be launched and almost wipes out all civilization. Those that survived, after hundreds of years, lost all knowledge that we currently have.... then one day someone finds a book talking about a kid going to a magic school who defeats an evil wizard to save the world.... Or a book about the last man on earth where everyone else was a bloodsucking creature that he was trying to cure... Im not trying to convince anyone to abandon their faith here, its merely a mental exercise.
Another one I read somewhere in a book (cant think of the name). A baby is born but its body cant survive, ignoring all ethics the doctors save the brain and hook it up to a computer that has access to the internet but cant "talk" to other humans so its never explained why it is the way it is. As it grows it searches the internet and comes across religion one day. It reads that God is a being without a physical body and is all knowing and can smite people down. It eventually comes to the conclusion that it must be God since it knows everything and has the ability to destroy those that dont follow it (via access to the defense network of all nations).
Mm. these seasoned fries are delicious.
Does it really matter?
I won't blame you for speaking in ignorance like that because you just don't know.
"Even a fool, when he holds his peace, is counted wise: and he that shuts his lips is esteemed a man of understanding." Proverbs 17:28
Now, let's start around the beginning, shall we?
The story of Moses leading the people out of Egypt....
Apparently, while wandering through the desert, Moses and the people were led by God through the desert by a "pillar of fire" by night and a "pillar of cloud" by day.
Now, you have the supernatural literal translation of it. You believe this happened :
The reality?
Alexander the Great used an ingenious way to unify his campaigns during his many travels. During the night, he had his men carry a tall pole with fire on the very top to use as a signal to his men to follow. During the day, the men carried a tall pole with smoke for his men to follow.
Ancient Egyptians loved to travel in caravans by night due to the heat of the sun. They also used a tall pole with fire to guide them. The Egyptian military used this same technique, fire by night, smoke/cloud by day. As did the ancient Persians. In fact, this was THE way you safely traveled back then.
This was standard military practice for the Egyptians and many others.
So -2- poles or "pillars"..... One with Fire, the other with Smoke/Cloud.
Click here for reference
Moses was more of a General, than a Prophet.
Evidence stares you in the face.
Last edited by MiamiHeat; 12-28-2008 at 01:29 AM.
Considering that, at least in my belief, human evolution evolves around the understanding of its self, Id say an emphatic yes. Weather thats to prove there is a God or not, it would be a huge important step towards our evolution and understanding of the universe and our place in it.
no more fries =(
the fact of the matter is if you solidly believe the existance of him then the God is really existing somewhere in the world, however if you don't believe his presense, then even if he is right standing in front you, he is still nothing.
God is just kind of belief that is created by the human beings. Human's God looks like a White man, rats' God may be a well-polished rat. It's not the God taht created the human beings, it's the human beings creat the God. The pathetic Humans beings are so afraid of the dangers around them, then they have to turn to someone who can give them some comfort, at least some mental comfort. Sometimes we may turn to the hollywood movies in seeking for some peace, but after we finish seeing the movie we always find it just a 100min long sh!t. Unlike the movies, God always makes us feel good, God is always kind to the human beings and give us whatever we want.
In fact, whatever the human beings created is just something that is used for making themselves feel good. The NBA games, NHL games, Hollywood sh!ts and anything else. But none of them can change the real lift a little bit, the life is still and you still have to pay thousands of dollars to the banks for the housing loan. God never helps you pay your debt, he never does any actual thing for us but we all like to thank him. God is definitely the luckiest man in the world.
Definately fact. Especially about the part of Moses. Moses was more a military leader than a saint or messanger of God. It's a fact, at least according to the bible, no religious person can ever deny.I won't blame you for speaking in ignorance like that because you just don't know.
"Even a fool, when he holds his peace, is counted wise: and he that shuts his lips is esteemed a man of understanding." Proverbs 17:28
Now, let's start around the beginning, shall we?
The story of Moses leading the people out of Egypt....
Apparently, while wandering through the desert, Moses and the people were led by God through the desert by a "pillar of fire" by night and a "pillar of cloud" by day.
Now, you have the supernatural literal translation of it. You believe this happened :
The reality?
Alexander the Great used an ingenious way to unify his campaigns during his many travels. During the night, he had his men carry a tall pole with fire on the very top to use as a signal to his men to follow. During the day, the men carried a tall pole with smoke for his men to follow.
Ancient Egyptians loved to travel in caravans by night. They also used a tall pole with fire to guide them. The Egyptian military used this same technique, fire by night, smoke/cloud by day. As did the ancient Persians. In fact, this was THE way you safely traveled back then.
This was standard military practice for the Egyptians and many others.
So -2- poles. One with Fire, the other with Smoke/Cloud.
Click here for reference
Moses was more of a General, than a Prophet.
Evidence stares you in the face.
Alot of religious people have probably never even read the first testament. They want to believe its all love and good doing that the second testament writes about.
Yes, I think so.
hahaha
How about the common sense approach? Lets say Joe Chalupa is wrong and we find out there is no GOD did anyone get hurt?
Now lets say we listen to Miami Heat and at the end we find out their was a GOD after all, Then what? we are ed.
I rather take a flashlight on a hiking trip and never use it, then not take one and find out later that night i needed it.
You aren't listening to "miamiheat" .... you are reading factual historical evidence. the history on how your religion came to be. the truth.
You haven't thought it through. I am sure you can realize the effect that religion has even in 2008. Politics, everything. What do you mean "did anyone get hurt"
How about freeing our minds and bodies so we can really be alive and understand who we really are and what we really need to do?
How about being a good person not because a God told you to and because you don't want to go to , but because you UNDERSTAND, truly UNDERSTAND, compassion, temperance, justice?
Who is the greater man -
He who follows the Bible to be a good man because he fears God and doesn't want to go to or he who has no fear of anything and still does it anyway because he truly wants to?
A simple analogy -
Two children are in a room full of candy.
The first child is warned by his mother - "DO NOT EAT ANY OF THE CANDY, IF YOU DO, I WILL COME BACK WITH MY BELT AND BEAT YOU VIOLENTLY AND PUNISH YOU FOREVER"
The second child is told by his mother - "My son, please don't eat any of the candy. I won't be upset if you eat it. Nothing bad will happen to you if you eat it, but it's very important to me as your mother."
Neither child eats the candy.
Which child has the greater resistance of temptation?
Which child has the better understanding of human emotions, such as love?
Which child has the better understanding of obedience?
The second child.
Learn and do because you understand, not because you were told to. Religion was created to control you. You are treated like sheep and have to be cared for by a shepherd. Sound familiar?
Humanity's goal should be to enlighten EVERYONE so each person grows to really understand, not just because a fictional religion tells you 'God says so'
Last edited by MiamiHeat; 12-28-2008 at 02:47 AM.
This thread is worthless without an insanely long-winded, self-righteous, condescending post from Hegamboa.
What if the real god is Allah, and he makes you serve out your eternity getting bukkakied by the Taliban for believing in the false god Jesus?
72 virgins baby
And where do you think that power within you comes from my child? I forgive you all non-believers for you know not what you do.
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