Isnt an NBA player.
Bring in Deke.
True, Mutombo's finger > TolLOLiver body
Like I said in the other thread, neither is an athletic PF which is what we need. However, Deke at least brings defense and rebounding at the C spot. Tolliver can't defend, can't rebound, and his shot hasn't come along - so he isn't filling any need at this point other than reminding everyone how bad Matt Bonner played a year ago. Financial implications aside, Mutombo >> Tolliver for a roster spot
I like his energy and hustle but we need more than that. He's not rebounding good enough and missing open shots.
We didn't have many good looks in the second quarter except the shots Tolliver got and he missed them all and that's where we fell into a bit of a hole when he was on the court.
I am so glad you can make this assessment at 23 years old. They probably should have told Bowen the same thing.
I think Tolliver is not ready for the NBA. He shots great in Summer League and D-League but he can't hit anything on NBA game. I think he put too much pressure on himself.
I'd like too see Spurs try another player with that 15th spot.
Tolliver has lots of good natural skills...but he needs to work on his offensive game. He may not be completely NBA ready now, but I see him turning into a fine energy player off the bench once he finds his niche offensively. If he stays through the year he might wind up back with the Toros...which can do nothing but good for him.
well, motombo would help the spurs a million times more than what tolliver can for this season. tolliver does some nice stuff, but im not convinced that he can play at the nba level- he definately can't shoot!
can someone tell me what position tolliver plays???
i alway he him listed as C, but doesnt he play on the perimiter, like a SF? theres no way he can guard the C spot.
Neither is Luke Walton but he gets about $7 million a year and now he's supposely being shopped(God only knows who'd be stupid enough to take him from the triangle) so it's no big deal to me, he can be waived and we can sign someone else to fill our greater need.
Deke is either going to Houston or Boston, because i was watching NBA tv and a guy from Houston Chronicle said Deke was really looking at going back to Rockets.
Tolliver sucks plain and simple! Every game hes 0 for whatever and 1 board. Cut him lose ASAP. The spur can be assured he can play with the Torors and no one will sign him.
I think that Tollivers problem is depth perception. He seems to do fine in gyms, not arenas.
Another thing, maybe after the death of his mother, he is putting more pressure on himself along with just being a contributing member of the team, to make his mother proud.
Bowen wasn't an NBA caliber player at 23...that's why he worked hard, went to Europe and developed his game.
Between missing open shots and giving Hakim Warrick whatever he wanted for a stretch in the second, Tolliver had as much to do with the Spurs falling behind as any individual player could.
Well maybe Tolliver needs to do the same. Go over to Europe and try and play in the big leagues over there against some great compe ion then come back over and have another shot at it.
Yep. If he doesnt start making those open shots. He wont be back next season.
My point proven. Tolliver needs time to develop. If Oberto was healthy there is a good chance he would still be with the Toros...and there is a good chance he will be back there before the end of the season.
Did any of you really watch the game? Warrick was doing his thing against everyone not just Tolliver. I don't feel his "D" was all that bad as some have implied.
I thought tonight he played decently, he did make a couple of passes to TD from the top of the key.
matt bonner didnt get minutes until this year. quit acting like you know
Matt Bonner needs a couple days off and he'll be shooting the lights out again. Tolliver's hustle is great, but I think Bonner fills that position much better than he does.
Tolliver's stroke is the biggest problem right now (for him). He needs to nail those wide open looks they're getting for him if he wants his place in the NBA assured. Prolly got 3 open threes last night.
Tolliver is absolutely horrendous. How many times does he have to go 0-for-everything before our staff realizes that he can NOT shoot and brings nothing to the table as a basketball player. This guy has been riding the wave of a few good-yet-meaningless summer league games against non-NBA-caliber compe ion and is now shooting a grotesque 31% from the field and under 22% on 3's (allegedly his forte). , my neighbor Tom could do that! He has no business being in this league, never mind playing for a le contender like the Spurs, and don't give me the "energy and hustle" bull either. Jack Haley had energy and hustled, but that didn't mean he was a legit NBA player. Fact of the matter is that they ALL have energy and hustle, that's why they play for the San Antonio Spurs in the National Basketball Association. Those traits are not negotiables. "Energy and hustle" are nothing more than two nice ways of saying that a guy lacks any actual basketball skills.
Last edited by Steve-O-Matic; 12-28-2008 at 01:56 PM.
And for every Bruce Bowen there are literally THOUSANDS of guys who were not NBA-caliber players at 23 and never became one later in life either. Your comment only goes to prove the point that Tolliver is highly unlikely (to put it mildly and conservatively) to ever become anything more that the useless waste of space that he is. This guy couldn't hit water if he shot the ball off of a boat.
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