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    Just got back from 8am Mass and I feel good. Gracias a Dios.

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    Did you read my post up there about the pillars of fire?

    I haven't even started yet.

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    Did you read my post up there about the pillars of fire?

    I haven't even started yet.
    Sure did. Did you read my previous posts? By all means, please continue and I will read your opinion and accept it for what it is but as I've said before. No matter what I read it will not shake my faith one bit but I'm sure it will be entertaining.
    Carry on.

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    I showed you historical fact, do ented and verified that the Egyptians, Persians, many ancient civilizations used the fire by day, smoke by night technique.

    That is not 'opinion'

    Do you believe all sorts of history is opinion?

    JoeChalupa : Sorry, but I don't believe that America fought the Japanese in World War 2. That is opinion.

    JoeChalupa : Sorry, but I don't believe that soldiers fighting in the American Revolutionary War used muskets. That is opinion.

    JoeChalupa : Sorry, but I don't believe that Rome used any formation called a 'phalanx'. That is just opinion

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    What's funny is when people try to present FACTS to the Christians on why there is no God. Well, the whole basis of Christianity is FAITH and BELIEVING, not facts. So don't get your atheist panties in a bunch when Christians don't want to "debate" you on the facts.
    +1 The fact is that B2B and MiamiHeat and all other non-believers cannot prove that God does not exist no matter how blue in the face they get trying to prove a point that cannot be proven.

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    Um..

    ok wait a second.

    I showed you historical fact, do ented and verified that the Egyptians, Persians, many ancient civilizations used the fire by day, smoke by night technique.

    That is not 'opinion'
    That is also not proof that God does not exist and it is still only your "opinion" that God does not exist. You haven't and never will prove to me otherwise. And that is an indisputable fact. Period.

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    JoeChalupa : Sorry, I don't believe that any Egyptians believed in anything called "Ra" That is just opinion

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    I showed you historical fact, do ented and verified that the Egyptians, Persians, many ancient civilizations used the fire by day, smoke by night technique.

    That is not 'opinion'

    Do you believe all sorts of history is opinion?

    JoeChalupa : Sorry, but I don't believe that America fought the Japanese in World War 2. That is opinion.

    JoeChalupa : Sorry, but I don't believe that soldiers fighting in the American Revolutionary War used muskets. That is opinion.

    JoeChalupa : Sorry, but I don't believe that Rome used any formation called a 'phalanx'. That is just opinion
    Where have I ever posted such nonsense? I never said I didn't believe in historical facts but none of what you've posted proves that God does not exist so it is your "opnion" not a fact.

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    JoeChalupa : Sorry, I don't believe that any Egyptians believed in anything called "Ra" That is just opinion
    MiamiHeat: Sorry, but posting historical facts proves there is no God so that makes it factual and not an opinion.


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    I just showed you historical facts that the Egyptians and their military, where Moses and his people came from, used a tall pole with a burning fire at the very top to travel by night, and during the day they used a pole with a burning pot, half-covered to create smoke.

    Pole also can be described as a pillar.

    The Israelites were led through the desert by a pillar of fire before them.

    They were using the same techniques used by everyone at the time. It now becomes clear we are talking about something entirely different than a 'miraculous event'

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    I'll wait for you to put more words in my posts.

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    I just showed you historical facts that the Egyptians and their military, where Moses and his people came from, used a tall pole with a burning fire at the very top to travel by night, and during the day they used a pole with a burning pot, half-covered to create smoke.

    Pole also can be described as a pillar.

    The Israelites were led through the desert by a pillar of fire before them.

    They were using the same techniques used by everyone at the time.
    But you still haven't showed me anything that proves God doesn't exist. Do you not understand that?

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    If you were shown the history and the origins of what you believe in Christianity, and it shows that you were believing a lie, is that not proof that the christian religion is bull ? By default, if the religion is bull , then that religion's God is bull .

    If it's man-made, then you are believing a lie.

    That is enough to prove it. Any denial of this is just dishonesty.

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    If you were shown the history and the origins of what you believe in Christianity, and it shows that you were believing a lie, is that not proof that the christian religion is bull ? By default, if the religion is bull , then that religion's God is bull .

    If it's man-made, then you are believing a lie.

    That is enough to prove it. Any denial of this is just dishonesty.
    Again, that is not proof that God does not exist or that Jesus did not exist. IT IS NOT PROOF it is, as you would say, bull . It is not proof that I am believing a lie and you've done nothing, nada to shake my faith. God Bless.

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    LOL, troll. You almost had me for a second there

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    I watch all the religion shows on The History Channel on the origins or Christianity and I've read the Davinci Code and I've read and listened to many others who don't believe and I always listen and read with an open mind but not once have I ever doubted my faith and belief in God and your posts sure as haven't caused me to have any doubts at all. Believe as you will and more power to you.

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    You are busted :P No trolling here today buddy! I'm on to you

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    You are busted :P No trolling here today buddy! I'm on to you
    Huh? The only thing you are on to is the fact that you've proven nothing and have seen the light.
    You had to refer to the "troll" card?

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    lol pillar of fire. thats a jew thing...

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    Anyway, how about we just skip past the OT and talk about Jesus. To go back to the Jesus Fish symbol that is so popular on the back of vehicles and in churches.

    Pagan sacred geometry and astrology.








    The only thing our ancestors were doing when they wrote the New Testament was passing on hidden meanings and knowledge.

    "And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." Mark 4:9

    or

    "Those of you who can understand what I am REALLY saying, then hear me"
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    Let's say Miami Heat you prove there is no GOD is that something to be proud of?

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    "We who labor here seek only the truth"

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    "We who labor here seek only the truth"
    To bad you'll have to die to see it.

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    Let's say Miami Heat you prove there is no GOD is that something to be proud of?
    It cannot be proven.

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    Yes it can. If Christian religion is proven to be man-made, then Christian God is man-made.

    So it can be proven that Christian God does not exist because everything you know about that Christian God came from a man-made religion that made it all up.

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