It's got to be something mental.
LJ's take is pretty illuminating. The Spurs are trying to make themselves a big man with a pretty specific, and pretty rare skill set. It's far too early to call the experiment a failure because this one is going to take a lot longer than two months.
Now whether to keep him or sign someone like Mutombo is a legitimate one. Of course, that can only be asked if a player like that actually wants to play for the Spurs.
Go back to Spursreport and STFU already.
I also think it's mental. He was on fire in summer league and D-League but when he's in the NBA game, even preseason he can't shot.
I hope he can make 2 or 3 triples in one game to get it going
IMO hes too young to give up on. Now if he was 26 27 then yeah I'd say send him away and go full court press on Mutombo.
Hes got alot of potential though and maybe he will never pan out, but it can't hurt to give the kid time.
oh boy! here we go again with the lame Spursreport calls!
Timvp basically hit it on the head. Anyone who has watched him in games has seen him improve and recognized the skills he brings to the table. I agree with the mental aspect of his shooting. He really needs to find a way to break through this...because the other things he can do would really be helpful to our second unit.
I would be more concerned about Bonner's perform then Tolliver's. Right now the way Bonner is playing, Tolliver is right where he needs to be, on the bench ready with energy. He just gets really excited and needs to chill. Probably thinking he has to be superman every play so he doesn't go back to the D-League. He is rushing everything.
I like his passing ability and energy. Reminds me of Malik a little.
Just hit those damn shots!!!
Like I said, I like Tolliver, but if the Spurs have a shot at Deke they have to get him. Tolliver cannot fill that role this year and we can always find someone like Tolliver. This all hinges on whether or not the Spurs FO really thinks this is the last le run for the core. If so, win now and Deke helps that more than Tolliver.
Tolliver is vaughns younger re ed brother!
I agree with the first part, but who else is like him?
unless the spurs believe their team shooting percentages are too high and should bring someone in to lower them, tolliver should not be part of the rotation. what's interesting is that he plays very well in the d league so there may not be anything more he can learn over there. he needs nba experience but he sucks. he is definitely hurting the spurs more than helping. tolliver is listed as a PF/C but it's hard to imagine him effectively defending opposing centers. i think the spurs should let him go when he falls out of the rotation again. sending him to the d league won't help, so letting him go might give him the opportunity to develop on another team or in europe.
Exactly. Bonner's emergence as a starter is one thing, but his performance against the upper-echelon teams has been subpar.
There are guys with his skillset as long as his shot is not falling. That basically makes him a "hustle" player who is undersized at PF.
Now, if his 3 ball is going in consistently, that is a different story....
What big man passes like Tolliver?
Oberto. Maybe if he could jump and shoot three's ...
right now Tolliver is shocked he's in the NBA. To add to that pressure, he plays for the freakin Spurs. Give him some time and maybe.. If I had to guess, I don't think he makes it, but based on my most recent predictions that means he'll be an all-star.
I have seen one pass. Does he show this ability in Austin or have I missed a few passes?
He isn't that great of a passer, but he nails those hi-lo lobs to Tim. Either he's really good at those, or watching Bonner trying to do it and fail a few times has made it look that way.
You have obviously watched very little of him.He isn't that great of a passer, but he nails those hi-lo lobs to Tim. Either he's really good at those, or watching Bonner trying to do it and fail a few times has made it look that way.
When I've watched Tolliver the last few games, the thing that really seemed to stick out to me is that his release is very slow on his jumpshot. I'm wondering how correctable that is, because it seems like a lot of the time he'll get an open shot and by the time he releases it, his man is back to make a good contest. I doubt there's that kind of talent in D-League to make him pay for that slow release that there is in the NBA. I know I'm basing it on a small sample size of his shots, but it has really stuck out IMO lately.
So he sucks at the hi-lo pass?
That is one aspect and are you trying to say there will be no big men around next year either from: the draft, the d-league or overseas that can pass like Tolliver?
If it is his passing that endears him into the league then, yes I believe you will find someone that can do it adequately later on.
It is not as if his skill set is so rare (combo of shooting, passing and defense), that you can never find someone that can come close to duplicating what he does if you let him walk.
Ok, who has at least the potential for that skill set at his age for the minimum?
Really, it won't break my heart if he's waived in favor of Mutombo, I'm just curious.
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